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Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

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User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:21

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

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canary1 · 19/12/2021 11:24

Totally agree. They are filling up the hospitals, and that is why we are on having to speak about restrictions or even school closures.
The unvaccinated should be locked down, not the poor kids.

NuffSaidSam · 19/12/2021 11:27

For the most part, no. They think that vaccines don't work or the consequences of the vaccines will be worse than consequences of Covid. They're generally not big fans of facts or science or evidence as far as I can tell.

Thesearmsofmine · 19/12/2021 11:29

I think they get so caught up in their own beliefs that they struggle to look outside of them. It’s the same with many things not just vaccinations.

heldinadream · 19/12/2021 11:30

They do not understand incremental number growth either. Or statistics. They don't trust experts (Gove, I'm looking at your responsibility here...), and they are not fans of sacrificial social responsibility, but big fans of flag waving dramatic personal 'freedom'.

TerraNovaTwo · 19/12/2021 11:31

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but can you not understand that these people are genuinely frightened? Are we no longer allowed to question science or has it become a doctrine to blindly follow?

And since when do we follow advice, laws and orders from unelected officials (Chris Whitty - who is not the only expert in his field) ?

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2021 11:32

One issue is the more you push the more push back you get

I don’t know what anyone can say to resolve it

Do - maybe but in words it’s difficult

Vapeyvapevape · 19/12/2021 11:32

My idiot uncle has always loved flouting any rule that he can , he refuses to believe that Covid exists, didn’t get vaccinated and ended up in hospital with it, his dd (also unvaccinated) was posting all over social media about how worried she was- I can’t remember a time when I’ve been so angry 😡

ChloeDecker · 19/12/2021 11:33

Agree with everything that has been said here.

They should also be very grateful to all of us who have gone and got the vaccine where/when we can, which has allowed those who refuse the vaccine to have had some of their ‘freedoms’ this year.

gogohm · 19/12/2021 11:33

They are not frightened in my experience they are the opposite, they are blasé, don't think they will get sick so what's the point

DDUW · 19/12/2021 11:34

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Sonex · 19/12/2021 11:34

Totally agree OP. And I'd much rather take advice form a doctor or a scientist - people that have dedicated years of their life to helping people and whsoe only concern is fixing scientific or medical puzzles, than some elected politician chancer that did PPE or Art History at uni like Boris Johnson or any other of his government cronies!

WasgijGods · 19/12/2021 11:35

@TerraNovaTwo

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but can you not understand that these people are genuinely frightened? Are we no longer allowed to question science or has it become a doctrine to blindly follow?

And since when do we follow advice, laws and orders from unelected officials (Chris Whitty - who is not the only expert in his field) ?

Questioning science is always good, it's how we gain knowledge.

But when all the evidence supports the science and you still choose to believe random youtubers who didn't even pass gcse science.... you're an idiot.

Whammyyammy · 19/12/2021 11:35

I genuinely think people believe their own beliefs to be correct, and respect them standing by them. Its totally their choice to not have the vaccine, I'd hate to live in a world without choice.
I'm fully vaxxed and got 'boosted this week.

HeyDugeesCakeBadge · 19/12/2021 11:36

Why is it the unvaccinated's problem? People who are tripple jabbed can still catch, transmit and still have to isolate if they do get it? How is it the fault of the unvaccinated? Other countries that have forced the unvaccinated into lockdowns or said they cannot enter premises haven't stopped the spread then how can it be anything but a virus doing what viruses do?

VitalsStable · 19/12/2021 11:37

@TerraNovaTwo

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but can you not understand that these people are genuinely frightened? Are we no longer allowed to question science or has it become a doctrine to blindly follow?

And since when do we follow advice, laws and orders from unelected officials (Chris Whitty - who is not the only expert in his field) ?

Question science?? I think over the last couple of years I've heard more questions regarding vaccines and their effectiveness than if I did a bloody degree in them.

Question by all means but take note of the answers from the scientists, not Deborah on twatter who got a c in combined sciences but has all of a sudden become an expert.

LightSpeeds · 19/12/2021 11:37

My mum and her partner are anti-vaxxers. I don't get into a discussion with them about why this is because they're not educated, their views are mostly influenced by rubbish TV, trashy newspapers and internet evangelists. They don't go anywhere or speak to anyone to get a varied view and even when you present them with some hard evidence or experience they totally ignore it.

They seem to have some belief that there is 'something' in the vaccine that will finish them off.

Interestingly, they don't question what's in their food or how it's been processed, what's in the medicines they take, all the plastics invading their bodies from the environment, pollution in the air, etc. etc.

mynameiscalypso · 19/12/2021 11:37

@HeyDugeesCakeBadge

Isn't the point that unvaccinated are more likely to end up in hospital this overwhelming the NHS? If there was no prospect of the NHS being overwhelmed, nobody would be talking about lockdowns or circuit breakers because the high numbers of cases in the community wouldn't matter as much.

bluejelly · 19/12/2021 11:37

People who are vaccinated are much less likely to catch it, pass it on, get seriously ill. That's why they are much more problematic.

RogueV · 19/12/2021 11:38

I agree with you OP.

nannybeach · 19/12/2021 11:38

The antivaxxers I have encountered, aren't scared,they don't believe Covid exists,so there's nothing to be scared of. Most imagine they are too young,too healthy to be affected,or angry. Yet throughout history vaccines have eradicated some of the most terrifying viruses.

Thesearmsofmine · 19/12/2021 11:38

@gogohm

They are not frightened in my experience they are the opposite, they are blasé, don't think they will get sick so what's the point

This is my experience too. I have sympathy for anyone who is frightened but the anti vaxxers thT I know don’t fit into that category.

OldaRailer · 19/12/2021 11:41

I know of two people who died from my small town who were anti vaxxers.
It was sad during the summer when it happened but at least there was enough leeway in the hospital system.

I do wonder if some people have reassessed recently.

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User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:41

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but can you not understand that these people are genuinely frightened? Are we no longer allowed to question science or has it become a doctrine to blindly follow?

But the question would be, without vaccines what's the way out of this nightmare without either/or regular restrictions or society ceasing to function due to everyone getting ill and emergency services unable to cope?

Even someone who doesn't want the vaccine should be glad others are because it's our only way out of this.

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FflosFfantastig · 19/12/2021 11:41

@DDUW

I'm unvaccinated. I'm not coming in contact with anybody so I don't see that I am part of the problem.

You're not. The views on this thread are really simplistic and driven by mainstream media. People unfortunately don't look beyond that and social media in order to form their opinions. Then they spew them out repeatedly.

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User135644 · 19/12/2021 11:43

@ChloeDecker

Agree with everything that has been said here.

They should also be very grateful to all of us who have gone and got the vaccine where/when we can, which has allowed those who refuse the vaccine to have had some of their ‘freedoms’ this year.

Vaccinated people have subsidised the freedoms of the unvaccinated this year. They can't/won't see it though.

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