Do unvaccinated people not see they are part of the problem?

[User135644]

I accept it's people's right whether they get jabbed or not, entirely up to them. However, the more people stubbornly refuse a vaccine then the worse it'll be for all of us. The hospitals will be more stretched and we'll have more restrictions, lockdowns or circuit breakers. People who won't get the vaccine are often the most anti-lockdown or restrictions, yet are part of the problem as to why we'll keep getting them.

Where exactly do they think we'd be without vaccines? We wouldn't have had a relatively normal 6 months or so with everything open, that's for sure.

@Chewbunn

For the unvaccinated, you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm.

Why are you wishing ill health on people? Not EVERYONE dies from COVID. There are millions of unvaccinated who do just FINE without having the vaccine.

It's like Russian Roulette. In a huge wave of a new variant of concern, he is encouraging the American people to not take their chances with it this winter, unvaccinated. Also, to not kill their family members this Christmas.

I chose to be vaccinated because I thought it was the right thing to do, for myself and the wider community. People have short memories. This time last year almost no-one was vaccinated and many of us were fearful of catching covid and couldn't wait to be vaccinated.

The other reason I couldn't wait to be vaccinated was because in March 2020 a friend was hospitalised with covid. She was in her mid 40s, normal weight, and with no underlying health conditions. She swam, ran and skied regularly. Yet she was so ill she was admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties. Almost 2 years on she is well, but has low energy and can not do too much physical activity.

People may say 'it's just a cold', but it's impossible to predict who will be seriously ill.

My brother has it. He’s unvaccinated and extremely ill. It has really shaken me. I am vaccinated before the pile on starts.

Signs of covid, according to the Zoe/Kings/Imperial university research, based on nearly 5 million people filling in a diary app:

Runny nose
Headache
Fatigue
Sneezing
Sore throat

(In that order), meaning more people have runny nose than sore throat)

How are these statistics about variants compiled? Does the PCR tell you what variant you have? All the many people testing with LF only, they do not know the variant. So the statistics must be skewed surely?
I see Eric Clapton had a very bad reaction to both vaccines and is now firmly against them. Van Morrison is totally opposed too.

@LookslovelyinSpringtime

Re pop start side effects - all BS - the side effects risks are well documented with so many vaccines given. The public health benefits out wiegh the risks.

And you othe rpiont is that the government tests genomically as certain percent of pcrs for the variant.

Xenia had made a choice and restricts her lifestyle and exposure accordingly, unlike the unvaccinated who delight in not wearing a mask when socialising or. Working and saying it's just a cold risking others in the quest for 'freedom'

Rock stars? They are a) egotists and b) wealthy enough to command the very best of private medical attention should they fall sick

Also what makes a rock or pop star an authority on medicine or public health? Same as actors and their political espousings. You struck it lucky to get good parts. That’s it. Your IQ has not risen commensurate with your fame.

Lol at Eric Clapton giving us advice on vaccines. He is also a racist. A great musician but not someone I want to take life advice from, thanks.

@LookslovelyinSpringtime

How are these statistics about variants compiled? Does the PCR tell you what variant you have? All the many people testing with LF only, they do not know the variant. So the statistics must be skewed surely? I see Eric Clapton had a very bad reaction to both vaccines and is now firmly against them. Van Morrison is totally opposed too.

Eric Clapton and Van Morrison are both ignorant nutters. They released a single to raise money for their anti mask, anti lockdown, anti vaccine campaign.

I can’t think of 2 people it would be less sensible to take advice from. But ok...

I think people criticising what Joe Biden said need to remember that the UK isn't identical to the USA. He has a very big problem with over 100 million Americans as yet unvaxxed and many are hard core conspiracy theorists or have strong religious reasons. He's understandably desperate to prevent the amount of deaths that could result from those people contracting Covid. We also need to remember that many Americans are obese and eat very unhealthily, so that combined with their beliefs could be deadly. The problem there is way bigger than what we have here.

@LookslovelyinSpringtime

How are these statistics about variants compiled? Does the PCR tell you what variant you have? All the many people testing with LF only, they do not know the variant. So the statistics must be skewed surely? I see Eric Clapton had a very bad reaction to both vaccines and is now firmly against them. Van Morrison is totally opposed too.

Genuinely confused here as a 'bad reaction' to covid means you're dead. Clearly the reaction to the vaccine could not have been as bad. So on what basis are they now trying to convince people not to take the vaccine?

To end the problem I would say if you chose to be unvaccinated, you aren’t priority when it comes to treatment.

If there is a shortage of ventilators because the NHS is overwhelmed then the choice you’ve made to take the risk has backfired.

I’m taking more about 50, 60, 70 year old vaccine refuses who are obese, smoke etc not so much the 20, 30, 40 year old any vaxers who are unlikely to end up in ICU

@TerraNovaTwo

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but can you not understand that these people are genuinely frightened? Are we no longer allowed to question science or has it become a doctrine to blindly follow?

And since when do we follow advice, laws and orders from unelected officials (Chris Whitty - who is not the only expert in his field) ?

Where to even begin?! (Is this post a joke?)

No I don't question science especially when the scientists' work is throughly peer reviewed. Science is not a doctrine; it's.... well, science. Facts.

Chris Whitty is appointed the most senior doctor in the land on the basis of his skills and knowledge. The elected government take his advice and mesh it into the advice of other senior experts (economists, psychologists, NHS chiefs etc) to look at the full picture and cobble something together which tries to work for everyone (not always successfully).

Surely it's clear after the last five years that "elected" does not always equal "skilled" or "knowledgeable"?! That's a good part of the reason why we're in the predicament we're in right now.

Lol @ the idea of taking medical advice from Eric Clapton and Van Morrison. If I want to learn how to play the guitar or write a good song, they’re probably the right people to ask. Guidance on how to survive a pandemic? I’m sticking with scientists for that.

@DottyHarmer

Rock stars? They are a) egotists and b) wealthy enough to command the very best of private medical attention should they fall sick

Also what makes a rock or pop star an authority on medicine or public health? Same as actors and their political espousings. You struck it lucky to get good parts. That’s it. Your IQ has not risen commensurate with your fame.

No one said they are authorities! Of course if you have a really bad reaction to the vaccines you are going to be very cautious. A bad reaction isn’t death. What a stupid comment. @Whatiswrongwithmyknee

@LookslovelyinSpringtime You used the examples of Eric Clapton and Van Morrison !! If they are against vaccines, then, well, that’s it, then - decision’s made. What if they said they were fruitarians and danced naked in the street every full moon? Would you be nodding sagely and following that advice too?

No one said they are authorities! Of course if you have a really bad reaction to the vaccines you are going to be very cautious. A bad reaction isn’t death. What a stupid comment. @Whatiswrongwithmyknee**

So I'm going to ignore your obnoxiousness and not stoop to your conversational level but what I believe is stupid is suggesting that a 'bad reaction', in the middle of a pandemic which has killed millions, is a sensible way to describe a reaction which did not kill or permanently maim you or is a sensible way to describe one side of a cost/ benefit analysis. It's daft to consider a reaction to the vaccine as evidence that one should not have it because in order to do so you'd have to have to not think about the reaction you might get to having covid.

You may not think that a bad reaction is death but perhaps you've been lucky enough not to lose people through covid. Or perhaps you just see things differently - disagreeing with you, however, is not evidence of people being stupid.

I know this is really flippant, but what about if Chris Whitty popped onto media outlets to say that he thought that *insert legendary guitar rift etc” was wrong? He’d hopefully be laughed off of his metaphorical stadium stage.

Don’t get me wrong - any side effects/adverse reactions must be yellow-carded. Otherwise, how on earth would the data be gathered to compile the lengthy info that is inserted into every medication we take (whether that be over the counter or prescription)?

@Mummabear1990

I noticed a lot of people saying it's the unvaccinated that are filling up the hospital's. I was just in the hospital and there were multiple people there with blood clots from the booster. It put me right off getting my booster in the new year.

There is a thread on this board atm from HCPs... Covid patients are not over loading anyone. It is staff shortages causing issues.

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee

No one said they are authorities! Of course if you have a really bad reaction to the vaccines you are going to be very cautious. A bad reaction isn’t death. What a stupid comment. @Whatiswrongwithmyknee**

So I'm going to ignore your obnoxiousness and not stoop to your conversational level but what I believe is stupid is suggesting that a 'bad reaction', in the middle of a pandemic which has killed millions, is a sensible way to describe a reaction which did not kill or permanently maim you or is a sensible way to describe one side of a cost/ benefit analysis. It's daft to consider a reaction to the vaccine as evidence that one should not have it because in order to do so you'd have to have to not think about the reaction you might get to having covid.

You may not think that a bad reaction is death but perhaps you've been lucky enough not to lose people through covid. Or perhaps you just see things differently - disagreeing with you, however, is not evidence of people being stupid.

So then any side effect is worth it in case you might die of Covid? I don’t think any side effect is worth it.

I am triple jabbed and what absolutely infuriates me is the amount of people I have heard of recently who won't get the vaccine "because i don't like being told what to do" ...Grow the hell up and stop behaving like entitled toddlers maybe. An adult shouldn't need "telling" what to do in this situation. Anti vaxxers like these are obviously deeply selfish and self centered with no sense of social responsibility. I am sick and tired of the vaccinated protecting the unvaccinated and putting us at risk and potentially curtailing our freedom.

@Bbq1

I am triple jabbed and what absolutely infuriates me is the amount of people I have heard of recently who won't get the vaccine "because i don't like being told what to do" ...Grow the hell up and stop behaving like entitled toddlers maybe. An adult shouldn't need "telling" what to do in this situation. Anti vaxxers like these are obviously deeply selfish and self centered with no sense of social responsibility. I am sick and tired of the vaccinated protecting the unvaccinated and putting us at risk and potentially curtailing our freedom.

But it's the government taking peoples freedoms with the rules they make. I won't be following anymore of the rules they make this time. I missed out on Christmas last year with my family only to find out the government didn't give up any of their own freedoms and were laughing at all of us.