What does a ‘major incident’ in London mean?

[Fivemoreminutes1]

Sadiq has declared a major incident in London regarding the surge in cases, but what does it mean for those who live/work/visit London in the next few days?

I’m on the London leafy boarders, COVID is rife.
As is a horrendous sickness and diarrhoea bug.

So if COVID hasn’t taken hold in your home, the pukey squits have.
It is a dark time.

@Bunnyfuller
I work in a job where I am sneezed on , coughed on, touching surfaces where young children are touching. I am rarely ill, can't think when I last had a proper cold. Nearly two years from the start of all this and I've managed to avoid it. I'm going to rely on my own immune system and thankfully my colleagues respect my decision as I do theirs to have the vaccine. Real life is a bit nicer than on here.

@user1471543683

Thank god my real life is not like Mumsnet. The hatred, bitterness and nastiness towards unvaccinated people is shocking. So my child shouldn't get an education now, bloody hell. 14 employees in my work, 4 unvaccinated - no covid, 6 vaccinated - all had Covid, the others have had some vaccines. We all respect each other's decisions and get along just fine. As mentioned in another post a couple of days ago, I actually think that some of those that have had all the vaccines regret being too quick to get them and are actually jealous of those who actually weighed up all the evidence and didn't jump in head first.

But what are they jealous of exactly? Why would they regret their decision? You need to expand on that a bit more.

She works in childcare…

You know you can have it and be symptomless? And spread it?

But of course, it’s all about you.

@Bunnyfuller

I work for a police force outside London. Newsflash - emergency workers aren’t immune. People are dropping like flies. Custody is on its knees already because you need specific training and qualifications to work there. Ditto firearms, response drivers.

For some it’s mild symptoms, and I saw a poster here calling it a festival for ‘skivers’. While there might be some that over egg it, there are some who it’s worse than a cold, a lot worse. Annual Leave and rest days are being cancelled left, right and centre and cover is at scary levels. The same goes for the Control Room. For some reason DV is absolutely through the roof, never seen levels like it.

It’s not just about whether the virus is deadly or not, it’s the knock on effects. That March horrified me. 😣😖

This. Whole sections in our control room are being decimated. The effect of that is that we are now having to close 101 at peak surge times because we can't staff it except for vulnerable callers. Even then we are still struggling to answer 999 calls.

‘I have on excellent authority that in my city hospital 80% of covid patients are unvaxxed.’

Please quote credible source of this statement, not urban myths.

Stories about unvaccinated people clogging the wards have been doing the rounds for at least the past three months.

People who are not vaccinated are often so due to existing serious health conditions, & have advised not to be vaccinated directly by their medical consultants. The recent vaccination campaign has a dedicated pathway for the immune suppressed to help protect this very vulnerable group.

So yes, some ICU wards will have some people seriously with Covid & they will not have been vaccinated for Covid because they were already very ill, not because they are anti-vax.

Also ICU wards have Covid patients who have been double vaxxed & taken every hand wash/social isolation precaution.

Provision of the NHS is based upon clinical need.

If we are all serious about managing the demand upon the NHS, we’d not drink & drive, not OD on alcohol/ drugs, give up impact sports, keep fit, eat sensibly, not lift heavy weights, not do DIY, forego sticking things up our bums or avoid do all manner of superfluous things that take us into hospital to get sorted out.

‘… his dr what the state of the ITU was last time he was in for tests and he said it’s full of people in their 20-30s who aren’t vaccinated.’

Really? I would query the professionalism of any NHS dr who let that ‘gem’ drop to a patient. Such a comment is anecdotal at best & not appropriate to share with a patient waiting for surgery.

[quote user1471543683]@Covidclaire
Not deluded, vaccine free.
And this coming from someone with tour username [/quote]
Absolutely. And thanks to the vaccine I have no symptoms. Slight cough yesterday (day 3) but today feel totally normal. Thanks for asking.

his dr what the state of the ITU was last time he was in for tests and he said it’s full of people in their 20-30s who aren’t vaccinated.’

This also sounds like a made-up statement, and very statistically unlikely. Everything I have read says that it's people of 50+ in ICU, with under 40s possible but a lot less likely to end up in there.

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/19790464.covid-patients-poole-bournemouth-icu-mainly-unvaccinated/

These Covid patients are not elderly, they are fit people between 20-60 and suffering a single organ failure, inflammation of the lungs.”

@UniversalAunt

‘… his dr what the state of the ITU was last time he was in for tests and he said it’s full of people in their 20-30s who aren’t vaccinated.’

Really? I would query the professionalism of any NHS dr who let that ‘gem’ drop to a patient. Such a comment is anecdotal at best & not appropriate to share with a patient waiting for surgery.

It's been widely reported (worldwide).

@SinoohXaenaHide

The Nightingales aren't "hospitals" in the same way as proper hospitals though. In the worst case scenario they are basically there to warehouse the dying during the time between when they are too ill to be at home until the time they die. There's not much treatment that can happen there other than supplying oxygen, for as long as oxygen supplies are available. Even a chef or a hotel receptionist can put an oxygen mask onto the face of someone dying and give them a bit of compassion. It's not like a qualified nurse could actually save their lives by the time things are so bad that the nightingales are actually needed at full capacity.

Yes, I always thought they were a place where you went out feet first

More ICU data than you couid ever possibly want

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/e7be23e7-695f-ec11-9139-00505601089b

And yes, the age in ICU is falling (the date of info for that section of this report is however pre-omicron, so is - presumably - a result of vaccination?)

What I found concerning is how even in summer the number of elective admissions (ie when you have a procedure that is so complex/risky they need an intensive care bed available for you) was lower even over the summer than it was in the winter months before covid arrived. That's but one feature of the backlog.

@vickyp0llard

his dr what the state of the ITU was last time he was in for tests and he said it’s full of people in their 20-30s who aren’t vaccinated.’

This also sounds like a made-up statement, and very statistically unlikely. Everything I have read says that it's people of 50+ in ICU, with under 40s possible but a lot less likely to end up in there.

Come and live my miserable life for the last 20 months watching your dh deteriorate and operations get cancelled due to these people.

You tell yourself it’s all made up while I’m awake worrying at 4am. He’s under 5 different consultants now.

Enjoy your worry free Christmas while we’re trapped here waiting.

@UniversalAunt

‘I have on excellent authority that in my city hospital 80% of covid patients are unvaxxed.’

Please quote credible source of this statement, not urban myths.

Stories about unvaccinated people clogging the wards have been doing the rounds for at least the past three months.

People who are not vaccinated are often so due to existing serious health conditions, & have advised not to be vaccinated directly by their medical consultants. The recent vaccination campaign has a dedicated pathway for the immune suppressed to help protect this very vulnerable group.

So yes, some ICU wards will have some people seriously with Covid & they will not have been vaccinated for Covid because they were already very ill, not because they are anti-vax.

Also ICU wards have Covid patients who have been double vaxxed & taken every hand wash/social isolation precaution.

Provision of the NHS is based upon clinical need.

If we are all serious about managing the demand upon the NHS, we’d not drink & drive, not OD on alcohol/ drugs, give up impact sports, keep fit, eat sensibly, not lift heavy weights, not do DIY, forego sticking things up our bums or avoid do all manner of superfluous things that take us into hospital to get sorted out.

Also, don;t have sex.

So much NHS time and resources are being "clogged up" by people wanting birth control, abortions, catching sexually transmitted diseases, putting things inside them that they shouldn't, carpet burns, falling out of bed, falling off the chandelier.

Also, don't get pregnant.

Women having kids "clogs up" the system with ante natal checks, labour wards, or abortion clinics. Then they give birth to another potential "clogger" who might need an incubator, post natal clinic time, and then have all manner of childhood diseases and playground injuries.

And then will spend the rest of its life "clogging up" the NHS so that worthy people can't get treatment!

"Save the NHS! Never have sex!"

@DeepDeepThought

M&S Christmas Food To Order is now closed! 😯😯😯 Probably all those downing Street parties. Bastards.

It was closed for orders in central London in November. We were going to use them for our much reduced work Christmas party. Party was cancelled in the end.

"Come and live my miserable life for the last 20 months watching your dh deteriorate and operations get cancelled due to these people."

Due to "THESE PEOPLE"?

So you are saying that 20 months ago, when there was no vax to accept or refuse, your husband could not get an operation because of unvaxxed people?

Also, you are blaming unvaxxed people, NOT the various governments who have systematically, deliberately underfunded the NHS?

If you'd had private medical insurance could he have been treated sooner?

(Lately I've been paying for private health care to ease my own burden on the NHS.)

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

More ICU data than you couid ever possibly want

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/e7be23e7-695f-ec11-9139-00505601089b

And yes, the age in ICU is falling (the date of info for that section of this report is however pre-omicron, so is - presumably - a result of vaccination?)

What I found concerning is how even in summer the number of elective admissions (ie when you have a procedure that is so complex/risky they need an intensive care bed available for you) was lower even over the summer than it was in the winter months before covid arrived. That's but one feature of the backlog.

What I noticed was that at ages over 40, twice as many men than women get admitted to hospital.

Why is nobody pointing out that it's males who are "clogging up" the beds that should be reserved for the "more worthy"?

Why is nobody pointing out that it's males who are "clogging up" the beds that should be reserved for the "more worthy"?

Because that's not remotely like vaccination status is it?

My dh had to shield early on. He didn’t need the op till Aug 20 but yes it’s a miserable life and I’ve been suicidal twice. Luckily dh stopped me the second time but there’s days I think if I’d been a little braver I’d be free of all this.

So for 20m we’ve had no life. He’s lost his job too so we’re on my income only.

If we’d had private health yes he could’ve had the one op but not the one that needs itu

Oh and it’s caused by his cancer treatment 30 years ago so you can fuck right off with your I have private healthcare while I’m struggling to pay basic bills and eat.

You’ve got no idea if you can afford private healthcare. No idea at all and neither do these people who swan around taking their health for granted while dh is confined to two rooms.

sadie is now on andrew marr

@Bunnyfuller
But you could apply the same statement to me if I was vaccinated. I could still spread it and still get it. 🤷‍♀️

People who are not vaccinated are often so due to existing serious health conditions, & have advised not to be vaccinated directly by their medical consultants.

Utter bollocks. A minuscule percentage of people are unable to vaccinated for medical reasons.

@Maskless

"Come and live my miserable life for the last 20 months watching your dh deteriorate and operations get cancelled due to these people."

Due to "THESE PEOPLE"?

So you are saying that 20 months ago, when there was no vax to accept or refuse, your husband could not get an operation because of unvaxxed people?

Also, you are blaming unvaxxed people, NOT the various governments who have systematically, deliberately underfunded the NHS?

If you'd had private medical insurance could he have been treated sooner?

(Lately I've been paying for private health care to ease my own burden on the NHS.)

Well, you’re just full of compassion.

People who think medical insurance will just pay out for any treatment they want are kidding themselves. Got a pre existing condition? Well fuck right off.