What does a ‘major incident’ in London mean?

[Fivemoreminutes1]

Sadiq has declared a major incident in London regarding the surge in cases, but what does it mean for those who live/work/visit London in the next few days?

[quote lightisnotwhite]*@Fivemoreminutes1
Good for your Where did you get it from?
Normally cheap Superdrug charges nearly £70. Hardly accessible. Bupa charges the same.

I worked with young people throughout the pandemic. In a busy colleges and schools evetdau.. Must have been ridden with Covid. I’ve not been sick at all in the whole two year. I’m very keen to find if I’ve had it or not. NHS website says I’m not eligible.

Surely it makes sense to find out how many people have actually had it in the population or whether we are relying on vaccines.[/quote]
There's huge amounts of research into this.

The Zoe app send out free antibody tests and the ONS use them as part of the data collection strategy.

This year the government started offering to send a antibody test if you have positive PCR test.

It's naive to suggest that this isn't already happening when a cursory google will give you the answer.

@RedWingBoots
Thanks for that I didn't realize how interlinked the private/public system is.
It would be worth separating not on a COVID level but to ensure monies spent are not on contracts set up by friends of friends.
I'd happily see the private and public sector not cross over if this ridiculous argument over who is more worthy finished.

The people that need looking at are those with the power to make change. We need to support one another rather than tear each other apart and start finding common ground.

@lightisnotwhite you must have been looking at different threads in MN and too busy to read stories in the news earlier in the year as the Zoe app was being pushed.

The app and the online survey I do are a cheaper way of academic studies with links to public health getting data from the general population.

Incidentally none of them advertise that they will give you an advantage to getting tests of any sort.

Flu and common cold survey link is here - flusurvey.net/
You get send an email every week asking you to log any cold or flu symptoms. Pre-pandemic the survey ran from October to April. The survey was set up after the swine flu pandemic.

Zoe app link is here - covid.joinzoe.com/

Though it is best to go to app store or google play to download it on your phone.

@ollyollyoxenfree

Don’t be obtuse. I said I was keen to have the test so obviously I’ve googled.
To repeat.
NHS said I couldn’t get one from them.
Private providers offer them for £70 ( too expensive)
I’ve never tested positive so never been offered one.

Considering the availability of internal flow tests antibody tests seem hard to get hold off

Yeah I was part of the Zoe app back at the beginning. Lost interest.

I’ve signed back in.

With Omicron even a ‘lockdown of the unvaccinated’ won’t really work because of how contagious it is. If anyone in their household is vaccinated and can go out they’ll catch it from them and I presume they’ll still be able to leave the house for essentials.

Some of the anti vaxxers are very hard core and even vaccine mandates for their jobs won’t convince them. Here in Australia there are nurses and teachers who have given up their careers rather than get vaccinated.

@lightisnotwhite

Yeah I was part of the Zoe app back at the beginning. Lost interest.

I’ve signed back in.

Yes it is tedious as it is daily, unlike the weekly cold and flu survey.

I have had to set a notification on my phone to put in the data every day.

@bluetongue my first thought which is uncharitable is good riddance.

Unfortunately they will then get jobs in sectors where people don't need to be vaccinated but need good customer service skills, so become spreaders and/or use a hospital bed.

[quote lightisnotwhite]**@ollyollyoxenfree

Don’t be obtuse. I said I was keen to have the test so obviously I’ve googled.
To repeat.
NHS said I couldn’t get one from them.
Private providers offer them for £70 ( too expensive)
I’ve never tested positive so never been offered one.

Considering the availability of internal flow tests antibody tests seem hard to get hold off[/quote]
Private providers are nothing like £70?

£39 at testing for all, for example www.testingforall.org/product/covid-19-home-antibody-test/

I agree that's still pricey, but if you participate in studies eventually you'll get the option to have one - join Zoe.

Considering the availability of internal flow tests antibody tests seem hard to get hold off
This is because LFT for all has a clear public health benefit - identifying cases & allowing isolation which prevents community transmission.

By contrast, AB testing is not useful for the individual (yet), as we cannot actually infer anything about level of AB and what this translates to in terms of immunity. The main reason they're useful right now is to allow the government to get an idea of how many people have had COVID - we can do this by sampling the general population, not testing everyone.

@happydappy2

And staff these special hospitals with who precisely?

Do you know when the NHS say they haven’t got a bed, it doesn’t physically mean there isn’t a bed for a person to lay on, not always. It more often means the staffing isn’t in place to be able to look after the person. An ICU bed isn’t just the bed, it’s the accompanying equipment and specialist staff required. And those people need trying, the retired will be out of date, unregistered and illegal to practice in many cases.

You cannot systematically destroy something through the back door and reinstate everything when you suddenly need to. The same crisis is happening in policing, but the public hate them so don’t appreciate the danger they’re being put into around this.

@happydappy2

And staff these special hospitals with who precisely?

Do you know when the NHS say they haven’t got a bed, it doesn’t physically mean there isn’t a bed for a person to lay on, not always. It more often means the staffing isn’t in place to be able to look after the person. An ICU bed isn’t just the bed, it’s the accompanying equipment and specialist staff required. And those people need trying, the retired will be out of date, unregistered and illegal to practice in many cases.

You cannot systematically destroy something through the back door and reinstate everything when you suddenly need to. The same crisis is happening in policing, but the public hate them so don’t appreciate the danger they’re being put into around this

Sorry fo4 dupe post

@DottyHarmer

Just what are we going to do about the unvaxxed?

I have on excellent authority that in my city hospital 80% of covid patients are unvaxxed. The 20% vaccinated are elderly.

Of course vaccinated people can pass the virus on and indeed be ill, but if the NHS and thereby treatment for all patients for whatever disease or injury is in peril because of those who refuse vaccination then we seem to be in a really unfair situation.

Will we have to suffer continual lockdowns/travel bans and general disruption and just accept it because of some people’s “bodily autonomy”?

Dh needs an op that has to have a ITU bed ready for him, he asked his dr what the state of the ITU was last time he was in for tests and he said it’s full of people in their 20-30s who aren’t vaccinated.

Our lives are on hold until he can have surgery.

Just filled in the Zoe App. Can I request an antibody test or do I need to wait until invited?

@Fivemoreminutes1

Sadiq has declared a major incident in London regarding the surge in cases, but what does it mean for those who live/work/visit London in the next few days?

From Sadiq Khan it means fuck all. He's just looking for funding.

Funnily enough the £39 AB tests are out of stock….

@lightisnotwhite

Funnily enough the £39 AB tests are out of stock….

Ah here you are - same Roche test which is even £2 cheaper than on testing for all

monitormyhealth.org.uk/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAqvaNBhDLARIsAH1Pq51Gg4hrdGnt7j0-hbKqwuepsSNL4c8YV-c4L7KqfUPk7Cxeo7UUpPYaArnLEALw_wcB#viewOurTests

@HelloMissus

There’s an incident alright. A quarter of Londoners have refused the vaccine and they’re now clogging up the hospitals.

40% in many boroughs!

@RosesAndHellebores

Slightly different spin on this. We are SW London, Surrey borders. DH and I were boostered three weeks ago (very efficient service), dd was bolstered about two weeks ago (slightly vulnerable), ds 26 was boostered yesterday. There is a walk-in up the road from us for 18-40s. There are more walk ins in London. Very little excuse for anyone to be unvaccinated.

DH goes up to London daily on public transport; dd is teaching and has been sent home for a day twice this half term pending a PCR test both of which have been -ve.

I think we must not forget that Sadiq along with local NHS leaders is left. Some of this is about politics rather than covid and also Boris's dishonourable beha iour that has understandably brought out the worst from the left. Whilst Boris deserves it, the public does not deserve to be used as covid collateral by the left

I wonder if anyone k owns how many NHS staff in London are antivax because presumably that is causing some or a significant percentage take of the staffing problems.

You know it's a right wing government responsible for covid regulations, right?

@KittenCatcher

Can they reopen nightingales for fit patients with low needs staffed by redeploying hospitality staff, chefs, shop staff, admin staff who are at risk of losing their jobs with carers and hcp (if they can find them).

If patients are well enough to be looked after by shop workers and chefs then I think they can probably be discharged home!

@SinoohXaenaHide

The Nightingales aren't "hospitals" in the same way as proper hospitals though. In the worst case scenario they are basically there to warehouse the dying during the time between when they are too ill to be at home until the time they die. There's not much treatment that can happen there other than supplying oxygen, for as long as oxygen supplies are available. Even a chef or a hotel receptionist can put an oxygen mask onto the face of someone dying and give them a bit of compassion. It's not like a qualified nurse could actually save their lives by the time things are so bad that the nightingales are actually needed at full capacity.

I really can't believe what I read on here sometimes

Thank god my real life is not like Mumsnet. The hatred, bitterness and nastiness towards unvaccinated people is shocking. So my child shouldn't get an education now, bloody hell. 14 employees in my work, 4 unvaccinated - no covid, 6 vaccinated - all had Covid, the others have had some vaccines. We all respect each other's decisions and get along just fine.
As mentioned in another post a couple of days ago, I actually think that some of those that have had all the vaccines regret being too quick to get them and are actually jealous of those who actually weighed up all the evidence and didn't jump in head first.

As mentioned in another post a couple of days ago, I actually think that some of those that have had all the vaccines regret being too quick to get them and are actually jealous of those who actually weighed up all the evidence and didn't jump in head first.

Hahahahaha good one. That’s hilarious .

You’re deluded.

@Covidclaire
Not deluded, vaccine free.
And this coming from someone with tour username

As mentioned in another post a couple of days ago, I actually think that some of those that have had all the vaccines regret being too quick to get them and are actually jealous of those who actually weighed up all the evidence and didn't jump in head first.

Unvacccinated have NO protection, vaccinated needs booster to take them up to a higher level of immunity. Not sure what you’ve gained by ‘not jumping in head first’.