Boris Johnson set to approve new Plan B Covid restrictions

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Just been announced. But what will this entail I wonder. 🤔

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-minded-to-move-to-plan-b-of-rules-this-week-sky-news-understands-12489880

@lesenfantsdelesperance

Do you agree with 18 year olds having to get a 3rd vaccine if they want to retain their passe sanitaire?

And will you still agree if they are required to get a 4th or a 5th?

Have numerous injections within a short time-frame been tested on this age group (or any age group come to that)?

Given that many scientists believe that Omicron first appeared in the UK in September, if it were to have any affect on hospitalisations, we would have seen it by now.

I don’t think that’s true, because of exponentials, and the way new variants tend to become established.

When you look at Wuhan strain, there’s
evidence we had it in January 2020 and clearly there was a lot of seeding happening in February. But we didn’t see a big impact on hospitalisation until March - and that was in a totally immunologically naive population, not one with a competing strain and a lot of vaccination and infection immunity.

Similarly when you look at Delta, we know delta was seeded in a pretty significant way back in April (still pretty angry about that one) but we didn’t start see the impact on hospitalisations until mid-June at the earliest.

That’s not to say Omicron will follow the same pattern - I hope it doesn’t - but I don’t think the argument holds.

They would not have the brass neck ton put any restrictions in place at the moment.

Wonder how they will spin the new restrictions?

“alas, due to us doing sweet FA to improve the NHS ability to deal with covid, we will need you (not us) to have further restrictions. You will have seen how well this has gone in Scotland so make sure you follow the rules. No questions please as we have our Christmas party at 7”

The mask wearing needs to go. Poor kids having to muzzle up for school.

You can't stop living to avoid dying. We've had 2 years of this - the virus is getting weaker we just need to crack on.

I know that vaccine passports being introduced over here won't affect you, being Australian and all that, but I would imagine I'm not alone in feeling extremely angry and frustrated at the news today.

I’m in the U.K.

As I mentioned above to Marsha, my flights home for Christmas were cancelled (again); I haven’t seen my family since 2019, unlikely to see to see them until next August at the very earliest. I have an extremely vested interest in this nightmare ending as soon as possible.

I share your anger at the shitshow this government has been, I’m still pissed off about Delta in April (as my posting history will attest - if I’m a bot I’ve been a sleeper bot for about a decade with a long and varied posting history, just waiting for a pandemic where I get to occasionally point out what the data actually says.)

Being pissed off doesn’t mean we get to make up our own facts. I get that you’re annoyed, and I’m sorry that by trying to be objective and only focusing on the factual content I added to that.

Article in Athletic this week: www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/12/covid-booster-fully-vaccinated-omicron/620916/
They originally had the headline: "IS IT SAFE TO HANG AROUND WITH THE UNBOOSTED?" They had to change it when people took the piss.
People backing vaccine mandates etc - this is the kind of disgusting shite you are aligning behind.

@nojudgementhere

"I know that vaccine passports being introduced over here won't affect you, being Australian and all that"

I think @JassyRadlett lives in the UK. She no doubt can clarify, but this seems to be the case from her posts on this thread immediately above your comment.

Why would her Australian nationality mean that a covid passport wouldn't affect her while she is living here? Or are you meaning that she shouldn't be able to comment on this thread as she might not be a British citizen?

@serengtisprinter

This government are a bunch of lying cunts

This. With bells on.

For the love of God - enough already.

Can we please all use some common sense and be allowed to get on with our lives?

Really, how many people are still believing in this shit? The mission creep is starting to get very serious now. How far will we let this go - and for what exactly??

I very much doubt that anyone in this government is literate enough to name a bot after a character in "Love In a Cold Climate".

@IfNot

People do realise that you can "take up a hospital bed" if you get cancer or have a heart attack, right? Covid is not the only illness out there! I refuse to have a digital id card basically, so as to protect an NHS that successive governments have destroyed. Yes, it's overwhelmed-when is it not?? That is down to the government to fix, not us to destroy our lives by stopping living so we don't "take up a bed".

This

They can fuck off with ‘protect the NHS’

@LittlestLightOnTheXmasTree

Half of our management team is unvaccinated

I am now on overtime covering for yet another isolation due to needing 10 days. I'm worn out with this. Struggling on but how much more propping up can the vaccinated do? We are worn out covering these extra shifts

I'm also struggling after my booster yesterday whilst isolating colleague is at home fluffing up her Christmas tree watching loose women!

Can I just clarify what you mean by this?

So the unvaccinated are isolating purely because they're unvaccinated, and not because they're unwell? Just that they came into contact with a covid positive person? Do they all have covid? And regardless, they are not able to work so are forced to stay at home and isolate ?and decorate their trees?) while you have to take on their workload because you're vaccinated and therefore don't have to isolate?

Sorry, just a bit confused by how to interpret this

Not really much of a change, large events already ask for vaccine passports (the responsible ones do anyway) and sensible people already wearing masks in public places. I wish this government would actually bring in proper vaccine passports

@CaliforniaDrumming

I very much doubt that anyone in this government is literate enough to name a bot after a character in "Love In a Cold Climate".

Oh I’m sure that ‘being Australian and all’ I shouldn’t be allowed to like the Mitfords either. (Hardcore Decca fangirl all the way….)

I am reading that cases of the new variant are expected to explode in January. This means I and others have no chance of having our operations. No covid is not the only illness around. But if hospitalisations soar, then any operations that are not emergencies get cancelled.

And will all the fucking Downing Street flunkys be working from home? I doubt it because as per bloody usual they’re too important. So equally I’ll think fuck it and work where I bloody want!

There’s so many exceptions to “the rules” that makes them farcical and pointless anyway - not that I want any more rules!

Throughout the whole pandemic, you could still have workmen in your house, you could still have a cleaner (even if you were able bodied and quite capable yourself) You didn’t need to wear a mask if it “caused you distress” The rich and famous could still travel internationally by private jet and politicians and their lovers could still meet (apparently)

I think we’ve been well and truly conned. Don’t forget, those in power have access to privileged and highly sensitive info about the virus. They will know exactly how dangerous it is. They’re clearly not bothered about risk to either themselves or their families - so why should we be?

The whole scenario is worse than a leaky sieve. Time to scrap all regulations and get on with it.

@AlecTrevelyan006

Wonder how they will spin the new restrictions?

“alas, due to us doing sweet FA to improve the NHS ability to deal with covid, we will need you (not us) to have further restrictions. You will have seen how well this has gone in Scotland so make sure you follow the rules. No questions please as we have our Christmas party at 7”

😂😂😂😂. So true!

When this shit passport does not work to coerce vaccination. They will start with fines. This is a nightmare of global proportions and repercussions.

Is there a time for this press conference? If it’s happening

@2389Champ

There’s so many exceptions to “the rules” that makes them farcical and pointless anyway - not that I want any more rules!

Throughout the whole pandemic, you could still have workmen in your house, you could still have a cleaner (even if you were able bodied and quite capable yourself) You didn’t need to wear a mask if it “caused you distress” The rich and famous could still travel internationally by private jet and politicians and their lovers could still meet (apparently)

I think we’ve been well and truly conned. Don’t forget, those in power have access to privileged and highly sensitive info about the virus. They will know exactly how dangerous it is. They’re clearly not bothered about risk to either themselves or their families - so why should we be?

The whole scenario is worse than a leaky sieve. Time to scrap all regulations and get on with it.

Yep. All these people up in arms about Christmas parties - they should be up in arms about shit policies that the politicians setting them clearly don't believe in or agree with. If they thought Covid was that bad and feared for their loved ones, they wouldn't have done what they did. The fact rich and famous people are just doing what they want, shows exactly how much of a risk they think Covid is. We have vaccines and good medications approved now. It's time we got on with our lives and stopped being conned into sacrificing our entire lives for this mythical "greater good", which is looking increasingly like "greater harm" given the years that children's education has been set back.

Well biz mum no one is wearing masks in any of dds schools nor colleges at all.

Not seen any timings announced formally yet either

@Beachcomber I agree, it’s divisive and feels very oppressive in France at the moment. There isn’t even a positive effect on cases and hospitalisations to at least try to justify the measures in place.

And I think you and I can both testify to the fact that not only do vaccine passports do nothing to dampen the epidemic but they also don’t buy you your life back either. We are all still in masks, plastic screens everywhere, one way systems, announcements in the stations every few minutes reminding us to stay away from each other and all of our children now wear masks for outdoor playtime and PE. From friday nightclubs close for 4 weeks and you won’t be allowed to sing or dance in bars or restaurants. It would almost be funny if it wasn’t so fucking mental that we have come to accept this as a reasonable reaction to what is for most à cold virus.

People of the uk be aware, vaccine passports really are a NOT a great introduction to the “toolbox” for dealing with the pandemic and will do absolutely nothing to restore normal life. In fact they will just mean that you will need the permission of the government to go out to eat as a family. Permission is only given if you have met their ever changing criteria.

For example, in July when this horrific device was introduced, there was no mention of needing multiple vaccines in order to keep it valid. Equally anyone who wished not to be vaccinated was not told that soon a covid test would only be valid for 24hrs and cost them €25 a time. What’s next?