Boris Johnson set to approve new Plan B Covid restrictions

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Just been announced. But what will this entail I wonder. 🤔

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-minded-to-move-to-plan-b-of-rules-this-week-sky-news-understands-12489880

[quote OtterlyAwesome]@MarshaBradyo Please do start a thread... we have a chance to go but everything is changing so rapidly I am now not sure if I should (Partner will as he's going as a critical worker...)[/quote]
Ok cool I stuck it in holidays although it’s a bit more than that

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/holidays/4421298-Aussies-how-do-you-feel-about-booking-tickets

C19 seems pretty endemic in my area. I’ve just got rid of it. DH has just tested positive, as have my DD and her fiancé. Loads of friends are also at the same stage. The one thing is; every single one of us who caught it, regardless of age or vaccine status, has experienced a very mild version. Sniffles, feeling a bit cold, nothing more.

Also, read this today. Maybe a journalist trying to talk things up, but might also be a light at the end of the tunnel.

www.cityam.com/from-covid-curse-to-blessing-coronavirus-experts-relief-grows-as-extremely-mild-omicron-variant-rapidly-exterminates-much-more-deadly-delta-mutation/?amp=1

@serengtisprinter

This government are a bunch of lying cunts

Yes.

And still people support them.

@MarshaBradyo

Ha as a fellow Aussie all good

(Ps are you going home at any point?.. should start a thread really if I can be bothered)

We were booked for Christmas but Singapore cancelled the flights back in September. 😭😭 booked for August now - Easter was too ££ but I’m from Queensland so the chance of Annastacia letting us in without quarantine before the federal election is… low.

How about you?

I think it was the Australia threads that showed me so clearly that no matter how personally upsetting the situation was to me personally, that my personal upset wasn’t a rational basis for public policy and I had started really looking for facts to suit my preferred position, rather than looking at what the evidence actually said. (That and my desperation for schools to stay open…)

@serengtisprinter

This government are a bunch of lying cunts

Yes indeed 👍🤮

I am headed over to that thread and we can all exchange travel plans/wish lists!

@AlecTrevelyan006

Vaccination passports are the gateway to digital passports and a digital economy - that’s why governments across the globe want them

This

Are as many opposed to childhood vaccinations like 6 in 1 and MMR though?

They have saved many lives, serious illnesses, and admissions to hospital. I don't see any complaints about them and the little Red Book.

We are hostages to rules every day of the week and probably do not pay too much heed really. But when it comes to something like a Global Pandemic, well that's different innit.

@Lostinacloud

Just look at New York, now kids aged over 5 included in vaccine pass for entry. It will happen everywhere even if it creeps in slowly unless we hurry up and say no! If they are really intended to help stop spread then why is testing as an alternative being removed more and more?

Well they would have to approve and then start vaccinating over 5s for that to happen here.

However, I am not surprised this (might) will happen.

It’s what everyone else has been doing and we are always late to the party.

@Lostinacloud

I'm in France too and I agree with everything you say here.

I'm really sorry to hear that you are suffering adverse effects of your vaccine.

One of the main reasons that I do not want my DD1 vaccinated is that she has horrendous periods already and I'm worried about the vaccine making that worse. And she has had covid and sailed through it despite being asthmatic so I really do not believe that she needs the vaccine.

Her recovery pass will run out soon and she will be very restricted. Mind you her boyfriend's pass will be cancelled on Jan 15th as he is only double vaccinated and not triple.

It's insane.

Oh and 2 of my co-workers have just tested positive for Delta. Both double vaccinated.

I am considered to be a contact case although I had Delta less than 6 months ago. So I have to isolate (despite a negative test).

My other double vaccinated colleagues are not contact cases and can gaily go about their business including flashing their vaccine passes to go into crowded places....

The whole thing is a complete joke.

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you spreading the virus. Therefore, IMO, regardless of vaccinated status, everyone should have to take a lateral flow test before going to restaurants, bars, etc.

"WFH if you can" is a massive 'fuck you' to those on stereotypically lower wages. Yet again, we'll have a society with those who are better off financially, cosying up at home while those who earn considerably less deal with the general public on a day to day basis, with few protections.

We are creating a four tiered society. Those who are vaccinated can spread Covid as they please. They have fewer symptoms, so will be less aware if they have Covid and not test. Then, spread it around like wildfire. Those who aren't vaccinated are treated like lepers in medieval times, regardless of lateral flow results. Those who WFH can have everything delivered to them (online shopping, food deliveries), while the rest of us have to head out to work every day, knowing there's an increased risk of contracting Covid and having to isolate (on fuck all pay, might I add).

It's a fucking disgrace. And all that isn't even taking into account the buffoons at Number 10 and their array of parties, which were "not socially distanced". Meanwhile, in the real world, people couldn't stay with their partner who had just given birth. People weren't allowed to go to funerals. They were banned from visiting loved ones in hospitals or care homes.

The sooner I see the back of this shambles government, the better.

This comment perfectly illustrate my point!! We are all supposed to lose our livelihoods (hospitality sector is FUCKED) or vaccinate our teenagers with a vaccine that changes hormones and no one knows why, or work in our houses that we cant afford to heat, or allow the government insane powers over what we do with our bodies and what we are and are not allowed to do...so that we don't TAKE UP A BED in an NHS that has been crumbling for YEARS. The focus is on the wrong thing!! Can you really not see that?? We stand to lose so much as a nation, all so we can protect something that the government should be protecting. I already know people who couldn't have cancer treatment because of covid, but it wasn't because of those selfish Covid patients taking up a bed it was because we have a healthcare system that is not, and has not been for years, fit for purpose!! The focus needs to be on "what are we going to do about THAT" not attacking individuals for objecting to proposed human rights violations.*

Great comment @IfNot

@PizzaCrust

The whole thing is a complete joke.

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you spreading the virus. Therefore, IMO, regardless of vaccinated status, everyone should have to take a lateral flow test before going to restaurants, bars, etc.

"WFH if you can" is a massive 'fuck you' to those on stereotypically lower wages. Yet again, we'll have a society with those who are better off financially, cosying up at home while those who earn considerably less deal with the general public on a day to day basis, with few protections.

We are creating a four tiered society. Those who are vaccinated can spread Covid as they please. They have fewer symptoms, so will be less aware if they have Covid and not test. Then, spread it around like wildfire. Those who aren't vaccinated are treated like lepers in medieval times, regardless of lateral flow results. Those who WFH can have everything delivered to them (online shopping, food deliveries), while the rest of us have to head out to work every day, knowing there's an increased risk of contracting Covid and having to isolate (on fuck all pay, might I add).

It's a fucking disgrace. And all that isn't even taking into account the buffoons at Number 10 and their array of parties, which were "not socially distanced". Meanwhile, in the real world, people couldn't stay with their partner who had just given birth. People weren't allowed to go to funerals. They were banned from visiting loved ones in hospitals or care homes.

The sooner I see the back of this shambles government, the better.

It like Brexit, is the will of the people.

@FiHefyd

Of course he is. How else can he distract everyone from that video?!

yes, classic Tory distraction technique. And sadly it will work.

Just do as you're asked, like the rest of the world is. British exceptionalism is just something else.

Or don't, and stop groaning and moaning, do your own thing fine, but just do it quietly. No one will notice or care apart from NHS, which is all this is about as it is in most countries around the world. Fact.

And, everything that @IfNot and @PizzaCrust say above.

@PizzaCrust I am one of those financially better off people. Trust me, I shan't be "cosying up at home".

I hate wfh with a passion. I feel isolated and demotivated. It screwed up my mental health and put my marriage at risk as I was so sick of being stuck in the house day in, day out with DH.

I totally appreciate that those on lower wages will be out under additional and considerable pressure but please don't think that it's welcome or easy for those on higher salaries either.

Half of our management team is unvaccinated

I am now on overtime covering for yet another isolation due to needing 10 days. I'm worn out with this. Struggling on but how much more propping up can the vaccinated do? We are worn out covering these extra shifts

I'm also struggling after my booster yesterday whilst isolating colleague is at home fluffing up her Christmas tree watching loose women!

Just been trying to fully understand the party pantomime fiasco, and it seems to boil down very much to "Oh yes they did!" "Oh no they didn't!"

Honestly at which point can a vote of no confidence be called?

Because right now my faith in the government and its policies is at an all time low and I'd be more in favour of Larry the cat - if I didn't realise he could be bought by rattling a packet of dreamies......

@Lostinacloud

It’s really sad living in a country which has the passport in place. Every single last person I know now scrambling to find a booster appointment are doing so ONLY so they can still go to a restaurant or go on their ski holiday after the deadline in mid January when all passes older than 7 months are automatically cancelled. Can’t anybody see that this is so wrong?

Personally I wish to wait before double vaccinating my teens but this means they can’t go to sports clubs or with us to a restaurant unless we subject them to an uncomfortable covid test which now lasts only 24hrs.
As an end of term treat, one of my DC was invited to go to see the new Spider-Man film. The ticket is €6, the Covid test he has to have so he can be allowed into a cinema is €25 and an uncomfortable hour out of our evening before to get him a negative test. And he will be negative as he always is because he’s had covid already and so despite many exposures has never been able to catch it again. It’s all utter bullshit and I’m so angry at these assholes all laughing at us!!

Couldn't disagree more with your first paragraph. I'm not finding it sad at all, it's fine. It's made some people overcome their reticence to be vaccinated, it's not a big deal. No scramble to get vaccinations where I am, I just booked at my chemist's. I don't think anybody here gloated when cases were lower, certainly you seem pretty happy they are higher, still no sign of a lockdown or anything though.

[quote megustalacerveza]@Florianus you can't possibly say that Omicron is not causing additional hospital admissions! It's far, far too early to be able to tell, which is why all the experts and scientists are waiting before they say anything.

There are only a few hundred official infections, which is far too low a number to be making any kind of statements about admissions. The real number is likely to be higher, of course, but still a tiny percentage of all infections. Delta is still dominant here. To get any kind of accurate picture of the severity of this variant, we need to wait for it to spread much more widely and wait and see how many people who are being infected now end up in hospital over the next few weeks.[/quote]
Numerous studies, including one of 14,618 patients in Belgium, have shown that the mean gap between infection and hospitalisation for Covid-19 is between 3 and 10.4 days, depending on age. Given that many scientists believe that Omicron first appeared in the UK in September, if it were to have any affect on hospitalisations, we would have seen it by now. Data from South Africa confirms this. Omicron is highly transmissable, but seems thankfully to not be very serious. I agree that more data is needed to confirm this, but there is a very serious danger of the government over-reacting if they do things like bringing in vaccine passports.

@JassyRadlett

But it’s a good reminder of why I took that break in the first place, because actually that comment based on what? Me saying what the ONS and others say on VE? Has upset me more than is rational.

I’m a big fan of robust debate. I’m just not a big fan of people using lies to justify their positions in a robust debate.

Despite being accused of being a government bot being pretty mild, it’s confirmed that maybe I should just fuck off again and leave people to shriek at each other and spread lies while they’re doing it. Facts Not Welcome Here.

I know that vaccine passports being introduced over here won't affect you, being Australian and all that, but I would imagine I'm not alone in feeling extremely angry and frustrated at the news today. If vaccine passports are introduced it will have a direct negative impact on me and my family, so I guess I found it slightly galling to read a comment that seemed so disinterested in the social and ethical consequences. I have no problem with facts being introduced, they are essential to debate, and I also dislike misinformation so at least we agree on something. Sorry if I caused offence.

@Lostinacloud

For me a vaccine passport is a bit like making a one sided contract with the government. Do as they ask in order to be “allowed” your freedoms and you don’t really see the problem with them. Until they ask something you’re not comfortable or with, like endless vaccinations that haven’t been tested based upon being administered every 3-6 months or vaccinating your children as the only way for you and them to have access to life. It’s hideously dangerous and people MUST see it for what it is. It has no scientific reasoning so why is it necessary? People in the U.K. are not vaccine hesitant as a nation, over 80% of those eligible happily volunteered to be vaccinated.

Totally agree with this

@SpeckledFrogsLog I absolutely empathise. I hate the way masks/WFH/isolating are treated as if they’re not a big deal and not much of an ask when for a significant number of people, in different ways, they really are.