Boris Johnson set to approve new Plan B Covid restrictions

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Just been announced. But what will this entail I wonder. 🤔

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-minded-to-move-to-plan-b-of-rules-this-week-sky-news-understands-12489880

@MarshaBradyo can't see it anywhere. Surely 5pm would have been announced by now?

So they'll either do it tomorrow or a dreaded 8pm one 😰

What boils my piss the most is that they are going to introduce the "easy" restrictions like wfh if you can and maybe vaccine passports plus the "strong messaging" about avoiding the virus which means that everyone will be so nervous they'll cancel all of their parties and celebrations over Christmas.

This is a win/win for the government as we're limiting community transmission and they haven't had to introduce any restrictions!! And when the hospitality sector moans that it's being fucked over (because no more furlough scheme to fall back on) the government will throw their hands up and say "well we didn't make anyone change their plans"!!

[quote weddingpanicomicron]@MarshaBradyo can't see it anywhere. Surely 5pm would have been announced by now?

So they'll either do it tomorrow or a dreaded 8pm one 😰 [/quote]
Noo not the 8pmer

I’ll not forget that feeling

Johnson to camera - I had wine that night

I don’t think we’re at that place but I’ll guess we’ll see 🙈

@MarshaBradyo they've published today's figures. They don't do that when there's 5pm conference usually.

We might live to see another day.

To those going on about the unvaccinated. Company I work for has about 300 people in the building that have to test twice weekly and it seems to be all the tripple jabbed ones that have recently had their booster that are all covid + right now. Some have had one jab, some two, some none. It hasn't seemed to make a difference. I've had 2 but couldn't care less anymore about what anybody else has/hasn't had.

@serengtisprinter

This government are a bunch of lying cunts

I need a like button

[quote Lostinacloud]@Beachcomber I agree, it’s divisive and feels very oppressive in France at the moment. There isn’t even a positive effect on cases and hospitalisations to at least try to justify the measures in place.

And I think you and I can both testify to the fact that not only do vaccine passports do nothing to dampen the epidemic but they also don’t buy you your life back either. We are all still in masks, plastic screens everywhere, one way systems, announcements in the stations every few minutes reminding us to stay away from each other and all of our children now wear masks for outdoor playtime and PE. From friday nightclubs close for 4 weeks and you won’t be allowed to sing or dance in bars or restaurants. It would almost be funny if it wasn’t so fucking mental that we have come to accept this as a reasonable reaction to what is for most à cold virus.

People of the uk be aware, vaccine passports really are a NOT a great introduction to the “toolbox” for dealing with the pandemic and will do absolutely nothing to restore normal life. In fact they will just mean that you will need the permission of the government to go out to eat as a family. Permission is only given if you have met their ever changing criteria.

For example, in July when this horrific device was introduced, there was no mention of needing multiple vaccines in order to keep it valid. Equally anyone who wished not to be vaccinated was not told that soon a covid test would only be valid for 24hrs and cost them €25 a time. What’s next?[/quote]
Exactly! The bloody morons that support this in the U.K. pay attention.

Sage are apparently predicting up to 1000 hospitalisations a day in weeks, possibly, maybe, from Omnicrom, reported in the Guardian, unless more restrictions are imposed.

Obviously they are using robust data for their modelling which must show a steady increase already if hospitalisations caused by Omicrom, and I was just wondering if anyone knows where those figures can be found ?

@fournonblondes

When this shit passport does not work to coerce vaccination. They will start with fines. This is a nightmare of global proportions and repercussions.

Yup. It's obvious. That will be a lot of people around £200/month worse off (if the fines are in line with the fines in Greece/Austria) if they are to escape the unwanted injections.

Have Sage ever actually predicted anything correctly?

@secondaries

We need vaccine passports. And masks in all indoor spaces. And work from home.

I would accept these measures if we could continue to exercise in non-local areas (because no-one needs drones over the countryside shaming people walking their dogs and police sitting in rural car parks, road blocks catching people visiting the dying etc).

We have those three things where I live on the continent. I don't think any country will go back to stopping people exercising outdoors or to masks outdoors (which we had here until the summer) as we know more about how the virus is transmitted now.

"it seems to be all the tripple jabbed ones that have recently had their booster that are all covid + right now. "

So what? Who's filling up the hospitals making treatment impossible for people with other illnesses?

Patients Gwenhwyfar.

Lucky you @Gwenhwyfar, I picked my 8 year old up from school an hour is so ago and heard all about how his PE teacher let them go away from the others one at a time so they could briefly lift their mask and take in some fresh air. A PE lesson OUTSIDE. Livid, angry, batshit mental doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel about this and how much I do not consent.

[quote BrightYellowDaffodil]@SpeckledFrogsLog I absolutely empathise. I hate the way masks/WFH/isolating are treated as if they’re not a big deal and not much of an ask when for a significant number of people, in different ways, they really are.[/quote]
WFH is AWFUL for me. I'm lucky that at the moment I can go in one day a week and it's only been compulsory for a couple of weeks.

@Lostinacloud

Well, as a lay person, I can't possibly question their methods or motivation or inconsistency or be cynical, and I am trying very hard to respect science and data, as no doubt it would be highly irresponsible to release such a prediction in the MSM if there wasn't solid data to back it up.

I may have my tongue somewhat in my cheek here, but if there is actual data to support their pronouncements I'm happy to eat humble pie. But not my hat. My hat us too nice to eat

Once again, mass vaccination and vaccine passports having a really great impact on the pandemic in France

Re France and comment such as

“There isn’t even a positive effect on cases and hospitalisations to at least try to justify the measures in place”

You need to establish how France would have faired without the hefty nudge of vaccine passports before coming to that conclusion.

Throughout the spring we were being told by many, especially in the MSM, especially MSM outside France, that the French population were highly vaccine reluctant, yet in the reality the uptake rate hasn’t been to out of kilter with many other countries in Europe and there’s been a rush to the vaccination centers in the last few days and weeks for boosters so maybe in the case of France the vaccine has had a positive effect.

Heaven knows what the case numbers would have been if a more laissez faire approach had been taken…your guess is as good as mine.

That should have read “maybe vaccine passports have had a positive effect”.

@MarshaBradyo

Is there a time for this press conference? If it’s happening

I'm not sure it will happen now that Allegra Stratton has provided the longed-for distraction (what Dominic Cummings has just described as a "dea cat moment"). She has been filmed giving the most wonderfully tearful speech - it looks like Johnson has nominated her to be the sacraficial goat for that party.

@MistressoftheDarkSide

Sage are apparently predicting up to 1000 hospitalisations a day in weeks, possibly, maybe, from Omnicrom, reported in the Guardian, unless more restrictions are imposed.

Obviously they are using robust data for their modelling which must show a steady increase already if hospitalisations caused by Omicrom, and I was just wondering if anyone knows where those figures can be found ?

Not much of a catastrophic prediction seeing as though we had 1,000 hospital admissions per day as recently as the first few days of November

Not enough of an effect though @notimagain. If it was truly effective then surely we wouldn’t need more and more restrictions. I don’t care what it “might” have been. That’s irrelevant because high vaccine uptake or not - partly forced by vaccine passport - hasn’t meant that hospitalisations haven’t shot up prompting the announcement of more restrictions, especially on children.

dead cat was the expression used by Cummings.

I live in France, my life is full of joy and I feel sad for Lost that these small sacrifices for public health make her so unhappy.

My kids wear masks and have had uninterrupted schooling, for which I am extremely grateful, as are they. No problems with GP or hospital appointments.

Nor do I accept her assertion that the restrictions had no effect - France has had a fraction of the UK cases and deaths since "freedom day" and the lifting of all restrictions. Interesting that it is only now that France is in a surge that it is again of such interest on MN - it has been ignored for months when cases were low. The vaccine passport has also been extremely helpful in pushing up the % getting vaccinated and you only have to look at the appointments after each announcement to see it had a huge effect on pushing people over the line.

We need as many people as possible vaccinated, yes with three doses, and if some of them have to be nudged, I'm ok with that. And why should I pay for their testing when they couldn't be bothered doing anything to protect me and my family - I can see from Lost's comments that she's not a fan of masks and she thinks she should be able to go where she want, with tests assumably paid for by others. So what exactly are people like her prepared to do to help get us out of this? If the answer is just get on with it and let the weak die, I'm very glad I live in a country where that is not an acceptable policy.

Finally, the reason "they" didn't tell us about the 3rd dose was that "they" didn't know. It's not some big conspiracy, it is a fast moving pandemic.

@AlecTrevelyan006

Well yes that was my thought too, but the call for restrictions and sudden prominence on the Guardian feed made me wonder if despite Omicrom apparently not causing more hospitalisations and deaths, it has actually and they've just found out? Or is it another squirrel tactic due to the party pantomime?

I want science and hard data !!!!