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Data, Stats and Daily Numbers started 5 December 2021

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JanglyBeads · 05/12/2021 17:21

Welcome to the DATA thread.

Our preference is for actual, data driven and analytical contributions.
Please try to keep discussion focused on these

Our links below probably need a refresh ready for the festive season,. so all reasonable suggestions welcome.

UK govt press conferences slides & data www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences#history
PHE Variants of Concern Technical Briefings www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201
PHE Vaccine efficacy www.gov.uk/government/publications/phe-monitoring-of-the-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccination
SAGE : Minutes and Models www.gov.uk/government/collections/scientific-evidence-supporting-the-government-response-to-coronavirus-covid-19
Data Dashboard coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ includes R estimates
PHE Weekly Flu & Covid Surveiilance Reports 2021-22 Season www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports-2021-to-2022-season
Dashboard Vaccine Map to MSOA level coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinations
Covid 19 Genomics www.cogconsortium.uk/tools-analysis/public-data-analysis-2/
Sanger Genome Maps & Data covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw
UCL Virus Watch ucl-virus-watch.net/
NHS Vaccination data www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/
Sewage www.gov.uk/government/publications/wastewater-testing-coverage-data-for-19-may-2021-emhp-programme/wastewater-testing-coverage-data-for-the-environmental-monitoring-for-health-protection-emhp-programme.
Sewage reports www.gov.uk/government/publications/monitoring-of-sars-cov-2-rna-in-england-wastewater-monthly-statistics-june-2021
Global vaccination data ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
R estimates UK & English regions www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
Imperial UK weekly LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots statistics imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19local/#map
NHS England Hospital activity www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
NHS England Daily deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Cases Tracker England Local Government lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker
ONS MSOA Map English deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Scot gov Daily data www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
PH Wales LAs, cases, tests, deaths Dashboard public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary
ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
NHS t&t England & UK testing Weekly stats www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
PHE Surveillance reports & LA Local Watchlist Maps by LSOA (from last summer) www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
ONS England infection surveillance report each Friday www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/previousReleases
Datasets for ONS surveillance reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata/2020
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
Zoe UK data covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
ECDC (European Centre for Disease Control rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
Worldometer UK page www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Our World in Data GB test positivity etc, DIY country graphs ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom?country=~GBR
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=eur&areas=usa&areas=bra&areas=gbr&areas=cze&areas=hun&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths
PHE local health data fingertips.phe.org.uk/profile/health-profiles
Alama Personal COVID risk assessment alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/
Local Mobility Reports for countries www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
UK Highstreet Tracker for cities & large towns Footfall, spend index, workers, visitors, economic recovery www.centreforcities.org/data/high-streets-recovery-tracker/

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Mixingvax · 13/12/2021 23:01

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GreenLunchBox · 13/12/2021 23:01

[quote JanglyBeads]Remember a couple of weeks ago, when some of us were saying to look for the nonverbal signals of those in leadership?

Keir Starmer has broadcast to the nation tonight, talking about our patriotic duty to get boosted.

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What are you saying?

JanglyBeads · 13/12/2021 23:24

Sorry, I meant that it’s surely a sign of how worried government (in the broadest sense - the Opposition Leader will have access to the data etc too) are about this. I don’t think any other party leaders have broadcast before have they? Or was there something around first lockdown?

Here’s Chise re SA: with the replies it’s a good back and forth thread re data and analysis.

twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1470520190395895815?s=21

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Quartz2208 · 13/12/2021 23:34

Cynically I think Keir Starmer is looking at the polls and how close to the edge Boris is. If boosters are seen to work he wants in. Quite a lot of this is political manoeuvring

JanglyBeads · 13/12/2021 23:36

I see yr point quartz but I wouldn’t really have expected him to be talking about patriotic duty.

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boys3 · 13/12/2021 23:40

@Firefliess

London on 3 December (specimen date) was 5,000. A week later (10th, almost complete) it's 10,000. If Omicron was 40% of those that would be 4,000. Back on the 3rd Omicron would have been around 350 of the 5000 daily cases (3 and a bit doubling times before the 10th). So the case rate growth in London looks more than high enough for Omicron to be doubling every 2 days to me. If it goes on doing that while Delta is roughly flat, case rates by 17th December specimen date will be around 50,000 per day, which is like nothing we've seen before. And most of those people will be contacting it over the next 2-3 days. Whether cases will be mild enough to enable hospitals to cope, it's hard to know. But I'm struggling to see how society will function with that many people off sick at once.
Just for absolute clarity your suggestion, based on that particular set of assumptions, is that cases by specimen date in London will look something like this?

I was a little confused by the spec date numbers quoted for 3rd and 10th,

Friday 3rd December spec date shows 5,867 cases in London. So if we were rounding to the nearest thousand perhaps 6,000 would be preferable to 5,000?

Friday 10th December currently at 9,048, albeit not yet fully complete, perhaps 5%-7% still to add. And likely to end up nearer 10,000 than 9,000, but quite possibly still short of 10,000; but from a rounding perspective more realistic.

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boys3 · 13/12/2021 23:44

What about the southwest?

picture limit issue earlier. Here it is along with the West Midlands which no-one asked after :)

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Firefliess · 14/12/2021 02:16

Apologies for the poor rounding @boys3 (scrolling between screens on my phone) And thanks for the chart - Yes that is roughly what you'd expect the next week to look like if Omicron is currently 40% of cases and has a 2 day doubling while Delta remains steady. Using correct figures, Omicron would be 3,619 of the 9,048 on the 10th. (40%), having grown from around 300 a week earlier - so 3,319 of the total grown being from Omicron. Total growth was between the 3rd and 10th was 3,181 (9,048 - 5,867) which is very close to the estimated Omicron growth, suggesting Delta was holding steady, which seems plausible.

tootyfruitypickle · 14/12/2021 06:57

It all feels very chaotic atm.

Just woke up to a text saying I'd been somewhere linked to a covid outbreak. Only possible option was a full 14 days ago, I can see it takes a while to link a mass of cases but I don't really see the point of sending out texts so late !

We had covid less than 3 months ago. I've not been doing LF as per instructions not to for 90 days. Venue I'm visiting at weekend will only take a neg LF, not covid pass, I'm sure we will be negative but I'm not sure I'd take a positive as proof of infection as I'm within the 90 days , there doesn't seem any mention of this re the daily LF to release from isolation rules ? Same goes for testing as per the instruction to re outbreak above.

As more people catch it, surely this testing issue is a problem ?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 14/12/2021 07:50

Interesting data from Denmark

mobile.twitter.com/davidwdowdy/status/1470540848328851459

Firefliess · 14/12/2021 08:11

@tootyfruity - it's PCRs you're not supposed to use for 3 months after having covid (because they're very sensitive so can pick up traces of your past infection) LFTs are fine though. They're not so sensitive.

Quartz2208 · 14/12/2021 09:44

Am I right in thinking though that the Government is currently working from modelling data rather than actual figures and extrapolating to a stage that neither Denmark or South Africa have actually reached?

Postdatedpandemic · 14/12/2021 09:49

I think the "we need more data" bit is very true. Omicron could flatten soon or explode, we need more time. That is the problem with potential exponential growth.

Quartz2208 · 14/12/2021 09:54

Agreed Postdatedpandemic and at the moment our Government are reacting to the latter that it is going to explode to the point where the idea that 200000 of Omicron happened yesterday are reported by Sajid Javid.

But even if you dont completely trust SA or Denmark's data it isnt showing that

Bordois · 14/12/2021 10:32

Make of this what you will.

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Bordois · 14/12/2021 10:40

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containsnuts · 14/12/2021 10:44

How are they going to manage this 'dual' wave of both Delta and Omicron cases in hospital in the coming weeks? Are the Delta cases kept separate so they don't get a dose of Omicron on top? Every person would have to be screened for virus type on admission otherwise how will we know how many hospitalisations and deaths are attributed to which variant? I can't see them coping with this. I imagine in the coming weeks we'll start hearing about general 'covid admissions' and variant type will be deemed unimportant. Just a thought.

Firefliess · 14/12/2021 12:14

@containsnuts

How are they going to manage this 'dual' wave of both Delta and Omicron cases in hospital in the coming weeks? Are the Delta cases kept separate so they don't get a dose of Omicron on top? Every person would have to be screened for virus type on admission otherwise how will we know how many hospitalisations and deaths are attributed to which variant? I can't see them coping with this. I imagine in the coming weeks we'll start hearing about general 'covid admissions' and variant type will be deemed unimportant. Just a thought.
That's a really good question and I've heard nothing on it. I would assume they're just putting them on general covid wards so they can catch both at once if that happens Confused
Firefliess · 14/12/2021 12:32

Lots of good data here from South Africa on protection from Pfizer against Omicron twitter.com/miamalan/status/1470684351151157252?t=RdkCxdWBNDrjennvbP5bug&s=19
Conclusion is that 2 doses of Pfizer gives 33% protection against infection (v close to the 30% estimate from UK data) and 70% protection against hospitalisation - a considerable fall from the 93% protection it gave against hospitalisation from Delta, but still a lot better than being unvaccinated.

It gives some figures for protection from prior infection too, but presents them differently as relative risk rather than % protection, which I don't fully understand.

Also says Omicron appears to be 29% likely to result in hospital admission for adults, though I'm not sure whether this is a like for like comparison or caused by Omicron coming last when most people already have some prior immunity.

PussyCatEatingPigsInBlankets · 14/12/2021 12:32

One thing I picked up on while the washer was on max spin was it's summer in southern Africa. SA went from a few hundred to 20k pretty quickly and thank goodness they know it's not Delta
We have to wait and sit on our hands at nearly Christmas because nobody knows...
or
Sensible precautions, boosters and lots of crossed fingers that it helps.

IndigoC · 14/12/2021 12:33

The 29% reduction in hospital admissions in the Discovery Health report from SA is positive but not super reassuring IMO. That reduction in severity is likely coming from very high immunity derived from recent mass infection. And when you look at the age bands, vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in 70-79 year olds drops to 59% with a very large confidence interval (lower end of which is 25%). No data is given for 80+. These are the age groups most at risk of severe Covid. Looks like B and T cells are doing their job in younger age groups, as you’d expect.

IndigoC · 14/12/2021 12:36

Link to the Discovery data:

docs.google.com/document/d/1v-c70LmJK4yYqT1Ik29QjheXuKC4VvpWctwwZx3F8lY/edit

sirfredfredgeorge · 14/12/2021 12:44

Also says Omicron appears to be 29% likely to result in hospital admission for adults

I assume this is a typo (missing a less ?) That would be utterly horrifying.

bordermidgebite · 14/12/2021 12:56

So although les severe , the increase in infectiousness would mean rising hospital admissions ?

Lelivre · 14/12/2021 13:17

All this milder talk is making me feel more nervous not more reassured.

Surely there is insufficient baseline data for omicron to extract anything meaningful regarding severity at this juncture.

Testing on its own has evolved month on month throughout this pandemic as has population immunity - for two years. I’m no statistician but with so many variables comparing figures and previous variants isn't it at best giving vague indicators at worst misleading ones, that will impact behaviour; not to mention we are only three weeks in observing an infection in a somewhat youthful population. My concern is that it is suppressing sensible, cautious behaviour that could reduce transmission.

This is after all the still the same core virus with ace2 receptor binding capability and (I think) it retains the super antigen AND it is more transmissible. It is also flu season. I’m planning to err on the side of caution...

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