Greece to Fine Unvaccinated Aged Over Sixty Yrs

[Flaxmeadow]

Greece is to fine the unvaccinated aged over 60. Those not booking an appointment for a vaccine before January 16th will be fined €100 a month.
An estimated 520,000 over 60s in Greece are unvaccinated.

I don't wish death on all the unvaccinated people.

Quite the opposite, I hope that as many people as possible can be persuaded to get vaccinated, it is the best option for most people (who don't have a psychological issue with the vaccination or physical health problem that rules it out, etc) and it will mean fewer people in ICU and a country better able to come through the pandemic.

But I'd hope that can be achieved through discussion and persuasion, and in a supportive way.

‘ Because we will continue to go through cycles of restrictions as long as there are lots of unvaccinated. I understand a minority will have genuine reasons, most haven't though have they? Just bleating on about freedom - oh the irony.’

I’m sorry but you are deluded if you think that restrictions will end if everyone just gets vaccinated.

@rainrainraincamedowndowndown No, I do not think 'elderly people who are not vaccinated are misinformed and ignorant'. I'm afraid that (unlike you) I don't have the arrogance or the ignorance to think that a person who holds a different opinion must be misinformed and/or ignorant.

@rainrainraincamedowndowndown

Fucking disgrace? More people being unvaccinated, more chance of new valiant. More people unvaccinated, this pandemic go on for long time. We are lucky that so many people are vaccinated in UK. But not so much in other countries. And from what I have read and heard, it's a lot to do with misinformation rather than lack of supply in some countries.

Erm, no.

A large number of people worldwide are unvaccinated, in countries where vaccination for far deadlier diseases is difficult, let alone for Covid. That is where variants will develop, but I don't see the Greek government or any other government offering to help developing countries with their vaccination programmes.

Greece: 10 million people. 59.3% vaxxed.
Nigeria: 211 million people. 2.8% vaxxed.

[quote BamboozledandBefuddled]@rainrainraincamedowndowndown No, I do not think 'elderly people who are not vaccinated are misinformed and ignorant'. I'm afraid that (unlike you) I don't have the arrogance or the ignorance to think that a person who holds a different opinion must be misinformed and/or ignorant.[/quote]
This. All the way.

‘ Rather than forcing those who refuse the vaccine, to have it, I’d take the opposite route and refuse them treatment instead.

Unless you have a recognised exemption, if you’re unvaccinated, catch covid and need in-patient hospital treatment, then tough, you’re denied.

Harsh? Maybe so. But the rest of the sensible, citizen populations of the world have had enough of these selfish wankers now.’

People like you really, really scare me. And I am fully vaccinated, btw, and will have the booster.

I think you’ll actually find that the ‘sensible’ people you align yourself with are starting to feel that they’ve had enough of the swivel eyed nutters whose totalitarian tendencies have absolutely come to the fore during this and who genuinely want to punish the dirty, diseased, stupid people who won’t take the vaccine. Make them suffer. They deserve it.

Absolutely sinister.

Battenburg77, difference between vaccine and chemo is that the vaccine won't diminish quality of life for most of people like chemo do. They may suffer for few days, but mostly that's it. And vaccine works, it's proven to save lives.
On the other hand, chemo may or may not work, and mostly quite debilitating consequences.

@rainrainraincamedowndowndown

There are definitely people who were previously healthy and now have a dramatically diminished quality of life since having the vaccine. Many of them are paying thousands for their own medical bills and struggling to access compensation. It might be a minority, but where there is risk there needs to be choice.

Aside from that, it really is the principle that's important. If you take away someone's right to even decide what goes into their body, you've stripped them of dignity and autonomy. There are other low-risk medical inventions that we don't force on people - eg, smear tests. Those save lives too. Should they be enforced with fines? By the same logic they should be, surely.

@rainrainraincamedowndowndown

Battenburg77, difference between vaccine and chemo is that the vaccine won't diminish quality of life for most of people like chemo do. They may suffer for few days, but mostly that's it. And vaccine works, it's proven to save lives. On the other hand, chemo may or may not work, and mostly quite debilitating consequences.

'Won't diminish quality of life for most people' 'May suffer for a few days but mostly that's it'

Do you realise you've just described Covid and that is one reason why many people don't see a need to be vaccinated?

Country by country, Government by government they'll wage attrition on it's citizens and force them to have the jab. They'll be left with the vaccinated elderly as all the unvaccinated will have died through lack of money through fines so they cant pay for heating, food and medical treatment. the riots in europe due to this are being swept under the carpet.

@Mincepiepoptarts

‘ Rather than forcing those who refuse the vaccine, to have it, I’d take the opposite route and refuse them treatment instead.

Unless you have a recognised exemption, if you’re unvaccinated, catch covid and need in-patient hospital treatment, then tough, you’re denied.

Harsh? Maybe so. But the rest of the sensible, citizen populations of the world have had enough of these selfish wankers now.’

People like you really, really scare me. And I am fully vaccinated, btw, and will have the booster.

I think you’ll actually find that the ‘sensible’ people you align yourself with are starting to feel that they’ve had enough of the swivel eyed nutters whose totalitarian tendencies have absolutely come to the fore during this and who genuinely want to punish the dirty, diseased, stupid people who won’t take the vaccine. Make them suffer. They deserve it.

Absolutely sinister.

I am glad that people are starting to stand up to the posters who are wishing harm on anybody unvaccinated. I find it cruel and dehumanising. It wouldn't be tolerated against any other group in society and really needs to stop.

Christ I can't believe - Let's start refusing groups of people in society medical treatment. By that EXACT same analogy we should deny legal representation to certain groups of people in the courts, ie guilty people who have confessed. When you start denying any parts of society to it's citizens you have no society period.

That is disgraceful

[quote Battenburg77]@rainrainraincamedowndowndown

There are definitely people who were previously healthy and now have a dramatically diminished quality of life since having the vaccine. Many of them are paying thousands for their own medical bills and struggling to access compensation. It might be a minority, but where there is risk there needs to be choice.

Aside from that, it really is the principle that's important. If you take away someone's right to even decide what goes into their body, you've stripped them of dignity and autonomy. There are other low-risk medical inventions that we don't force on people - eg, smear tests. Those save lives too. Should they be enforced with fines? By the same logic they should be, surely.[/quote]
Exactly this. Me, my sister and a friend all have long term issues after the vaccinations. My friend's uncle died after his from a blood clot. I'm still not anti vax but I'm pro choice. It's so sinister.

@ Villanelle17 "I'm still not anti vax but I'm pro choice." I love this, this is exactly how I feel and I'm sorry to hear about your Uncle.

So all you people in favour of fines/imprisonment/with holding of treatment for the unvaccinated, are you going to club together and send some money to this lady? Or are you still denying vaccine injury?

"Blood clots from vaccines are estimated to occur with 1 in 100,000 people over the age of 40 or those with underlying medical conditions."

" I had the vaccine thinking I was doing the right thing," she said.

"I did it when the government asked me to do it to protect each other and myself, but now I feel like I'm getting nothing back from the government to say 'we acknowledge you did what we asked but unfortunately for you it's gone wrong'."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c41nlvy5x85o

MaxNormal
The state pension is 700 euros a month. They'll be ill with malnutrition in the first instance.

€750 a month and it has to be taken into account that many Greeks own, or part own by family, their own homes outright. Also many don't have huge heating and hot water bills every month for half the year. Public transport and some other services are better funded, good and relatively cheap. IMO the hospitals are no worse than many in the UK. Over the years I was seen in A&E twice in Greece and i was seen quickly and efficiently

A large number of people worldwide are unvaccinated, in countries where vaccination for far deadlier diseases is difficult, let alone for Covid. That is where variants will develop, but I don't see the Greek government or any other government offering to help developing countries with their vaccination programmes.

This is unfair on Greece and, though I hate to admit it, the EU.

The first world, including AZ and the UK, has thrown huge amounts of vaccines at poorer countries for over year now, but if people won't take the jab, I'm not sure what more can be done?

Disgusting.

if people won't take the jab, I'm not sure what more can be done?

Fine then and jail them, apparently.

@XenoBitch surely if someone has health anxiety, getting the vaccine would help?

@Theplantisgrowing hear hear! Totally agree!

[quote Macaroni46]@XenoBitch surely if someone has health anxiety, getting the vaccine would help?
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You obviously don't understand phobias, there is nothing rational about them at all

@Stressymcstress

Anyone supporting this I assume would also support fines for people with a high BMI, smokers, drinkers, those who don’t exercise regularly, those who consume too much sugar/ salt/ fat etc…

No because those things aren't contagious and can't kill others - Covid can.

Unvaccinated and transmitting the virus to others 30 times more likely than a vaccinated person.

In the same way you get fined for not wearing a seatbelt, driving while using your mobile phone, because you can kill other people. This is no different

I've got a needle phobia. But I'm vaccinated.
Its not like those huge drainpipe needle jobby's used for taking blood. The vaccine needle is tiny, a hairs breadth and very short. Didn't even feel the beggar go in

Also a dental phobia but had the sedation for a difficult extraction. Maybe that would help?