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Greece to Fine Unvaccinated Aged Over Sixty Yrs

202 replies

Flaxmeadow · 30/11/2021 11:44

Greece is to fine the unvaccinated aged over 60. Those not booking an appointment for a vaccine before January 16th will be fined €100 a month.
An estimated 520,000 over 60s in Greece are unvaccinated.

OP posts:
userperuser · 30/11/2021 22:17

Theplantisgrowing

How about people not addressing their weight and resulting health issues from it (known risk factors), are they also selfish? Should they be punished if they fail to address it?

lightand · 30/11/2021 22:18

I predict more riots in Greece.

lightand · 30/11/2021 22:20

What happens if fines arent paid? Round them up? Put them in camps?

Viviennemary · 30/11/2021 22:20

Good idea. Or put them under house arrest. We have all had our freedom curtailed.

Totallydefeated · 30/11/2021 22:21

@PrincessNutNuts

YouGov asked me if I'd be in favour of this policy in the U.K. today.

I wouldn't. I'd prefer better communication and leadership from the government, a more trustworthy government that didn't lie to us so much, and better strategies against disinformation.

I was also how much sympathy I have with people who choose to remain unvaccinated.

I find it very sinister that the water is being tested here like this. I hope I get asked similarly, so I can make my views crystal.
Theplantisgrowing · 30/11/2021 22:27

XenoBitch

I suffered with a really bad phobia, I get it. I underwent a lot of NLP and hypnosis to help overcome it. Have you done this? Honestly, the vacvine, it's barely a needle at all, it's not like giving blood or a blood test which I don't like either. It's the teeniest of sensations.

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 30/11/2021 22:28

I do have similar way of thinking to Theplantisgrowing, actually.

I understand phobia is something that you can't dismiss, but not for me to be totally sympathetic.
My dc had to go through so many needles since he was a baby. His wrist was bruised so bad at one time, because he had to be held down to take blood every day. To this day, he hates it, but does it because he has to.
He had the vaccine a month ago, he said he didn't even feel the needle for the vaccine, because it was so small and quick.

XenoBitch · 30/11/2021 22:30

@Theplantisgrowing

XenoBitch

I suffered with a really bad phobia, I get it. I underwent a lot of NLP and hypnosis to help overcome it. Have you done this? Honestly, the vacvine, it's barely a needle at all, it's not like giving blood or a blood test which I don't like either. It's the teeniest of sensations.

It is not about the needle for me. It is about someone harming me. I have had needle issues as long as I can remember but they were acerbated by being physically restrained and forcibly injected against my will.
itsacat · 30/11/2021 22:31

I think governments all over Europe and the world are following the developments inlaces like Austria and now Greece with interest. If it is accepted in those places I think we can expect the same to happen elsewhere, including here.

itsacat · 30/11/2021 22:32

Apologies, that should have said 'in places'

Theplantisgrowing · 30/11/2021 22:34

userperuser

Theplantisgrowing

How about people not addressing their weight and resulting health issues from it (known risk factors), are they also selfish? Should they be punished if they fail to address it?

It's very complex weight, alcohol, smoking etc often linked with poverty and complex. I am neither overweight, nor a smoker or a drinker but I sympathize massively with people who suffer these addictions. Of course they affect the general population in that they take up resources but have been doing so for decades so a certain amount of budget expectation if you like.

The virus is totally different, it affects all of us and will continue to do so catastrophically if we don't do something about it and guess what that something is that pretty much all of us can do? Get vaccinated and then do a shift at your local vaccine centre to help get this done as soon as we can.

Those unvaccinated are clearly happy to put us all through this misery for eternity and you are being utterly selfish there is no other way of putting it.

XenoBitch · 30/11/2021 22:36

Those unvaccinated are clearly happy to put us all through this misery for eternity and you are being utterly selfish there is no other way of putting it

Not happy to do any of that. Why do you think you are speaking for anyone who had not had the vaccine?

Theplantisgrowing · 30/11/2021 22:37

It is not about the needle for me. It is about someone harming me.
I have had needle issues as long as I can remember but they were acerbated by being physically restrained and forcibly injected against my will.

I am very sorry to hear that, I ask again though, have you tried NLP therapy and/or hypnosis to help you?

I imagine most people who won't get vaccinated haven't got anything like a good a reason as you do though.

Cookerhood · 30/11/2021 22:39

Xenobitch I haven't heard anything about them making a nasal vaccine so you might be waiting a while?

Theplantisgrowing · 30/11/2021 22:39

Not happy to do any of that. Why do you think you are speaking for anyone who had not had the vaccine?

Because we will continue to go through cycles of restrictions as long as there are lots of unvaccinated. I understand a minority will have genuine reasons, most haven't though have they? Just bleating on about freedom - oh the irony..

XenoBitch · 30/11/2021 22:39

@Theplantisgrowing

It is not about the needle for me. It is about someone harming me. I have had needle issues as long as I can remember but they were acerbated by being physically restrained and forcibly injected against my will.

I am very sorry to hear that, I ask again though, have you tried NLP therapy and/or hypnosis to help you?

I imagine most people who won't get vaccinated haven't got anything like a good a reason as you do though.

Where do you get therapy? Don't say the NHS. I can't get therapy through them for my suicidal ideation, let alone a phobia.
Barearseloverofthigh · 30/11/2021 22:40

Every year in the UK there are over 1 million hospital admissions that have alcohol as a causal factor in the patient's diagnosis and nearly 2 million admissions linked to smoking. Both of these past times are completely self indulgent and put a huge financial burden on our NHS and take up beds and resources from people that get ill or injured through no fault of their own. Yes they pay tax on their purchases but so does everyone on everything. The same argument for penalising those who don't want to be injected should rightfully apply to everyone who still chooses to drink and smoke despite knowing how much it's costing the NHS. Hypocrisy? Much?

Cookerhood · 30/11/2021 22:40

Apologies Xenobitch, I googled & it is a thing. Fingers crossed it comes soon.

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 30/11/2021 22:42

I have had needle issues as long as I can remember but they were acerbated by being physically restrained and forcibly injected against my will.

I can see that you have problem with needles and it's hard to over come. But can't you see, no one wants to be stabbed with needles in the first place, especially a little children? I don't particularly like it either, I assume most feel the same.

I think I would feel more sympathetic towards you, if you didn't come onto the thread making excuses for kind of anti vaxx sentiment all the time. Because not everyone has problem like you, but most are just blatant anti vaxx.

SLH2003 · 30/11/2021 22:42

@Stressymcstress

Anyone supporting this I assume would also support fines for people with a high BMI, smokers, drinkers, those who don’t exercise regularly, those who consume too much sugar/ salt/ fat etc…
I know its a shock but you cant catch fat, booze, salt etc from someone breathing on you.
SLH2003 · 30/11/2021 22:44

@Barearseloverofthigh

Every year in the UK there are over 1 million hospital admissions that have alcohol as a causal factor in the patient's diagnosis and nearly 2 million admissions linked to smoking. Both of these past times are completely self indulgent and put a huge financial burden on our NHS and take up beds and resources from people that get ill or injured through no fault of their own. Yes they pay tax on their purchases but so does everyone on everything. The same argument for penalising those who don't want to be injected should rightfully apply to everyone who still chooses to drink and smoke despite knowing how much it's costing the NHS. Hypocrisy? Much?
No, it's ridiculous whataboutery.
XenoBitch · 30/11/2021 22:46

@Cookerhood

Apologies Xenobitch, I googled & it is a thing. Fingers crossed it comes soon.
Yep, probably in a year-ish. All I can do is wait.
SpindlesWinterWhorl · 30/11/2021 22:47

nypost.com/2021/11/30/greece-to-impose-monthly-fine-on-unvaccinated-adults-over-60/

I can't see this ending well.

Barearseloverofthigh · 30/11/2021 22:48

No, it's ridiculous whataboutery.

No its not! It's hypocritical not to apply the same argument about wanting to reduce hospital admissions/deaths to all activities that knowingly put a massive strain on our health service.

Theplantisgrowing · 30/11/2021 22:48

Where do you get therapy? Don't say the NHS. I can't get therapy through them for my suicidal ideation, let alone a phobia.

I paid privately, honestly the best couple of hundred quid I ever spent over a couple of sessions. I am quite evangelical about hypnosis. You don't suddenly love the thing you are scared of but you can accept it and not react in a completely over the top manner, just react appropriately. So if it were snakes say, you wouldn't get that awful rapid heartbeat, flight reaction total panic if you were near one (or even to see a picture in a book if that bad). Your body/mind react appropriately to the situation so still maybe a modicum of fear but not hysteria if that makes sense.

Really wish you could try it, if money is an issue I don't know....save up, sell something? It's very powerful. I wish you luck with your phobia xx

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