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Greece to Fine Unvaccinated Aged Over Sixty Yrs

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Flaxmeadow · 30/11/2021 11:44

Greece is to fine the unvaccinated aged over 60. Those not booking an appointment for a vaccine before January 16th will be fined €100 a month.
An estimated 520,000 over 60s in Greece are unvaccinated.

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Flaxmeadow · 30/11/2021 23:13

What do people think about Greece, and probably Spain, barring tourists that are not vaccinated? It's definitely on the cards now I think.

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Theplantisgrowing · 30/11/2021 23:14

Ok, I'll admit I'm pushing here a bit.

I do think incentives to having it might work though, how about paying the over 60's in Greece to have it? You get £85 if you head straight to the vaccine centre and do not pass go

Barearseloverofthigh · 30/11/2021 23:15

@AndMatt

Good question. I'm presuming you don't smoke, drink alcohol, over eat or play sports though.

As it happens, I don't, I'd be very low risk in all those categories but it's not those issues that are causing this immediate crisis.

I think 3 million extra unnecessary hospital admissions per year, linked to smoking and drinking are certainly not helping the NHS right now, do you?
Theplantisgrowing · 30/11/2021 23:15

What do people think about Greece, and probably Spain, barring tourists that are not vaccinated? It's definitely on the cards now I think.

Their prerogative

AndMatt · 30/11/2021 23:16

*But if it weren’t for all of those issues there would be plenty of capacity to treat those unwell with covid.

If you really think someone should be punished for presenting a risk then that should extend to all who present a risk and not just a select few.*

Yes, in usual circumstances, but we're in extreme times. If there's a straightforward way to solve this crisis so we can get back to actually living life, if this is the only way out...?

AndMatt · 30/11/2021 23:17

We've already lived through a time when people with different risk profiles were confined to their homes for months!

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Flaxmeadow · 30/11/2021 23:17

Theplantisgrowing

Yes agree and especially understandable now. After all, the Greeks will turn round and say, 'well how come tourists don't have to be vaccinated' but I do. They'd be right

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theworldsgonefeckingmad · 30/11/2021 23:18

What @userperuser said...

userperuser · 30/11/2021 23:20

@AndMatt

*But if it weren’t for all of those issues there would be plenty of capacity to treat those unwell with covid.

If you really think someone should be punished for presenting a risk then that should extend to all who present a risk and not just a select few.*

Yes, in usual circumstances, but we're in extreme times. If there's a straightforward way to solve this crisis so we can get back to actually living life, if this is the only way out...?

Again…the issue is the ‘at risk’ overwhelming health resources, a significant percentage of which are caused by people with lifestyle related issues.
MrsSkylerWhite · 30/11/2021 23:20

Flaxmeadow

What do people think about Greece, and probably Spain, barring tourists that are not vaccinated? It's definitely on the cards now I think.“

Fair enough. Quite sensible, in fact. Wish our Govt. would do the same.

Barearseloverofthigh · 30/11/2021 23:20

@Theplantisgrowing

Ok, I'll admit I'm pushing here a bit.

I do think incentives to having it might work though, how about paying the over 60's in Greece to have it? You get £85 if you head straight to the vaccine centre and do not pass go

Probably counts as coercion, but i wouldn't have a problem with pay outs, or doughnuts, for getting the injection. It's punishing people who don't want to take the risk of being injected with a substance that has death as a possible side effect that i object to.
theworldsgonefeckingmad · 30/11/2021 23:21

@AndMatt

*But if it weren’t for all of those issues there would be plenty of capacity to treat those unwell with covid.

If you really think someone should be punished for presenting a risk then that should extend to all who present a risk and not just a select few.*

Yes, in usual circumstances, but we're in extreme times. If there's a straightforward way to solve this crisis so we can get back to actually living life, if this is the only way out...?

But if over 80% of hospital beds in Covid wards are fat people surely the easiest way is to not treat those with a BMI over a certain number, 30+ for example, regardless of vaccine status? (This is not something I want BTW, I'm fully against forced medical intervention unless the patient lacks capacity and the treatment would save their life)
AndMatt · 30/11/2021 23:22

Again…the issue is the ‘at risk’ overwhelming health resources, a significant percentage of which are caused by people with lifestyle related issues.

I don"t disagree hunting can't see how or why we/the Greeks should have to continue living with this particular threat which is easily solved. Smoking and obesity are much harder to crack and can't happen quickly.

AndMatt · 30/11/2021 23:24

I'm glad it's not my problem to solve, there clearly isn't a good solution, but it's not surprising some governments are starting to think a long these lines.

userperuser · 30/11/2021 23:25

@AndMatt

Again…the issue is the ‘at risk’ overwhelming health resources, a significant percentage of which are caused by people with lifestyle related issues.

I don"t disagree hunting can't see how or why we/the Greeks should have to continue living with this particular threat which is easily solved. Smoking and obesity are much harder to crack and can't happen quickly.

It’s been nearly 2 years since the risk from obesity became apparent so that’s plenty of time, the fact is that these individuals present the largest risk from poor covid outcomes and needing non covid healthcare.
AndMatt · 30/11/2021 23:27

I've never been overweight, but surely we have reached a general understanding that solving the obesity crisis not as simple as telling peole to eat less.

Barearseloverofthigh · 30/11/2021 23:31

@AndMatt

Again…the issue is the ‘at risk’ overwhelming health resources, a significant percentage of which are caused by people with lifestyle related issues.

I don"t disagree hunting can't see how or why we/the Greeks should have to continue living with this particular threat which is easily solved. Smoking and obesity are much harder to crack and can't happen quickly.

But it seems that this particular threat isn't easily solved, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing so many people who have had their injections in hospital with covid still.
Porcupineintherough · 30/11/2021 23:34

@FflosFfantastig

It's disgraceful. Anybody supporting it really needs to take a look at themselves and their ideologies.
Seems about right to me, a bit like the tax on cigarettes. Better then refusing them medical care when the inevitable happens.
AndMatt · 30/11/2021 23:34

But it seems that this particular threat isn't easily solved, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing so many people who have had their injections in hospital with covid still.

But that's not true, the vast majority in hospital aren't vaccinated. Even if some are numbers would reduce significantlynif everyone was vaccinated.

I'm not at all saying it's desirable, but that maybe it's the least bad option.

Barearseloverofthigh · 30/11/2021 23:36

@AndMatt

I've never been overweight, but surely we have reached a general understanding that solving the obesity crisis not as simple as telling peole to eat less.
I wish everyone would reach the general understanding that solving the perceived unjabbed crisis is not as simple as threatening them with bankruptcy.
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Flaxmeadow · 30/11/2021 23:37

Obesity is only part of the problem, though I do agree with a fat/sugar tax towards healthcare

Also age, genetics and of course being unvaccinated is a risk too. But being vaccinated helps fight covid for ALL with those risk factors.

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theworldsgonefeckingmad · 30/11/2021 23:38

@AndMatt

I've never been overweight, but surely we have reached a general understanding that solving the obesity crisis not as simple as telling peole to eat less.
If the money spent advertising and promoting the vaccines had been spent tackling obesity for the last 18 months there would be a lot less people dying. It's not mentioned in the press that it's a massive risk factor even if you are fully vaccinated and I really don't understand why. I agree it's not something that can be solved overnight but it has been known to be a risk for so long there's been enough time for people to help themselves. It's society nowadays they want a quick fix jab rather than the hard work of getting healthy unfortunately
AndMatt · 30/11/2021 23:39

I wish everyone would reach the general understanding that solving the perceived unjabbed crisis is not as simple as threatening them with bankruptcy.

A tad hyperbolic? Fines might not solve it but it would make a vast difference.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 30/11/2021 23:41

unherd.com/2021/11/how-fear-fuels-the-vaccine-wars/

SLH2003 · 30/11/2021 23:41

The whataboutery levels in this thread are reaching an all time high 😂

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