Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

[littlelordfuckleroy]

Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

People with treatable disease are having to wait for their treatment in hospitals due to rising Covid patients

All sorts of people get bounced down the waiting lists because of peoples' lifestyle choices. I actually have more sympathy with someone scared to have the vaccine because of the clots and people dying than I do with obese people who know they are more at risk from covid but have made no effort to lose weight since March 2020.

We can all get judgey but ultimately medical treatment should be a personal choice.

It's always, I don't want to be vaccinated because.. various misinformation

So the clot issue with the AZ vaccines and people dying after having the vaccine (including a high profile BBC presenter) was misinformation?

In Switzerland, where they have absolute democracy, they are running a second referendum (highly unusual on the same type of law within a short time period) on Covid measures introduced by the government - to include the recent Covid certificates- on 28 November.
The laws were accepted in the first referendum. I wonder if it will be closer this time. In the mean time, I suspect the Swiss government is too scared to introduce new Covid measures as it risks protest votes in the upcoming referendum.
It sort of goes to show that we do all need further democratic measures to keep checks on the government. I wonder how the Austrian people would vote as a whole on these new measures by the Austrian government.

Those here who are worried. Like me

Worried about taking a covid vaccine or worried about Austria making them legally required?

Protests across the world are taking place every day. The mainstream media doesn't show these. Ask yourself why

Ok, so I'm asking myself why but I can't actually figure out the answer. What are the protests against exactly? And what would be the reason for the mainstream media not covering them?

@Chocolatefreak

To register your child for school in France and Switzerland, (and probably other European countries too) you have to take your child's vaccination booklet as proof they're all up to date. No vaccinations, no school. No - one sees a problem with that.

I expect a lot of people do see a problem with that, but there isn't a lot of choice for them.

@ColinTheKoala

It's always, I don't want to be vaccinated because.. various misinformation

So the clot issue with the AZ vaccines and people dying after having the vaccine (including a high profile BBC presenter) was misinformation?

Nope, and I never said it was.

That doesn't change the fact that the benefits outweight the risks, as stated in my post.

@closedown

Those here who are worried. Like me

Worried about taking a covid vaccine or worried about Austria making them legally required?

Protests across the world are taking place every day. The mainstream media doesn't show these. Ask yourself why

Ok, so I'm asking myself why but I can't actually figure out the answer. What are the protests against exactly? And what would be the reason for the mainstream media not covering them?

This always gets trotted out

See Reuter's reporting on protests in Paris. Top hit on google.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/covid-hundreds-gather-paris-protest-over-new-austria-restrictions-2021-11-18/

@Immaculatemisconception

Only on Mumsnet! Everyone I know is vaccinated and couldn't wait to get the vaccine. A family member is 39 and is gutted that they won't be getting the booster.

I only know one person IRL who's not had the vaccine and I don't really know why he hasn't. But I don't agree with coercion.

That doesn't change the fact that the benefits outweight the risks, as stated in my post

In your opinion. And in my opinion. But not in everyone's opinion.

@Immaculatemisconception

Only on Mumsnet! Everyone I know is vaccinated and couldn't wait to get the vaccine. A family member is 39 and is gutted that they won't be getting the booster.

Only on Mumsnet what? Almost everyone on this thread has said they’ve had all vaccines they are eligible for. And nothing you’ve said says anything about people’s views on making it mandatory. Wanting to get vaccinated doesn’t equal wanting it to be mandatory.

@ColinTheKoala

That doesn't change the fact that the benefits outweight the risks, as stated in my post

In your opinion. And in my opinion. But not in everyone's opinion.

No, not my opinion @ColinTheKoala, for adults, this has been proven over and over again.

@closedown

Those here who are worried. Like me

Worried about taking a covid vaccine or worried about Austria making them legally required?

Protests across the world are taking place every day. The mainstream media doesn't show these. Ask yourself why

Ok, so I'm asking myself why but I can't actually figure out the answer. What are the protests against exactly? And what would be the reason for the mainstream media not covering them?

Sorry - worried about Austria making them mandatory.

And they are protests against vaccine passports.

I don't know what the reason for MSM not reporting them would be.

Why are you claiming protests aren't being reported, when they very obviously are @SencosRshit?

As posted above

www.reuters.com/world/europe/covid-hundreds-gather-paris-protest-over-new-austria-restrictions-2021-11-18/

If course it’s personal liberty not sure why it needs quote marks. Yes vaccination is very good to have but it still has to be a choice

I put it in quotation marks because the personal liberty of the unvaccinated is having a bad on effect on other people's lives and liberties and quality of life, as I outlined.
I really don't understand why in this case, in the case of a global pandemic, one individual's person's liberty ( as I said, we don't have total liberty in society - all countries have laws to place limits on freedoms either to protect other individuals or institutions or society) takes precedence over the harm done to others and to society.

These things are always a balance and in this case I think the balance sways to protecting society as a whole rather than individual choice. It is a global pandemic after all, which has killed 5 milliion plus people, caused people to lose jobs and livelihoods, led to longer term disablement for god knows how many, caused tremendous damage to world economies which generations to come with pay for in tax and effects on public services (which in turn effects real people's lives in very real ways) and has led to suffering and death to others due to reduced access to over burdened health services.

I don't know what the reason for MSM not reporting them would be

Oh. The way you said "ask yourself why" implied there is some sinister reason behind it. But I can't think of any reason why the mainstream media would be colluding to hide the fact that people are protesting against vaccine passports. At least in the UK I'd guess it's more likely just not being reported because vaccine passports aren't really being considered so it's not a hot topic.

@SencosRshit

Do we know what the penalties for non-compliance will be? I thought I’d seen that they were likely to be civil (ie fines) rather than criminal.

That makes is OK then - does it?

Please don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t say that. I was responding to a poster who had suggested one of the penalties would be prison, I had not seen anything in reports that confirmed that statement. So I asked the question.

Sometimes a question is just a question. A request for information.

As you’ll recall from our previous interactions, I quite like it when discussions involve facts.

They are talking about compulsory vaccination but as of yet there's no clear indication of how it will be implemented assuming it passes which isn't a given. Most likely, according to the article I just reads, unvaccinated will not be allowed to enter public spaces rather than injecting people forcibly.

@riveted1

Yes

Funnily enough you never see a poster saying, I understand the benefits outweigh the risks, it will reduce risk of infection & onward transmission, and there are significant benefits to wider society, but I don't want to be vaccinated.

It's always, I don't want to be vaccinated because.. various misinformation

Exactly. I know very few people in real life who have refused to be vaccinated, but there seem to be a much greater proportion on here.

People are anonymous on here so therefore more likely to speak the truth.

People in real life could very well say they're vaccinated without actually being so

@WeDidntMeanToGoToSea

It didn't take long for the Nazi comparisons and insinuations to start. ('Teutonic types' )

I don't know how I feel about this yet - am neither celebrating nor deploring it. But one question that comes to mind, in relation to the choice to refuse the vaccination, is: what if everybody made that choice? There's a degree to which the refusal of a vaccination depends on others not exercising that right. What societal situation would we be looking at now if we didn't have vaccines AND a substantial majority of people willing to take them?

But most people haven’t made that choice. The uptake in the vulnerable groups has been very high, much higher than expected. It was in their own personal best interest to reduce their risk of serious illness and they were happy to do this for their own benefit. Trying to coerce people to have a vaccine when they are already at low risk from the virus and the vaccine isn’t that great at preventing infection/transmission (so the ‘greater good’ argument completely falls on its face) is a completely different matter.

Covid hysteria will never stop. The government spent millions on a 2 year terror campaign that was put together with the help of psychologists and it’s been very successful. You can read about it on gov.uk. You can also read the open letter put together by leading psychologists who raised alarms about the ethics and legalities of doing this.

Concerns have been raised all along about every aspect of this, from the reliability of these tests to the ridiculous idea of dying of covid within 30 days of a positive test. Those concerns were not raised by conspiracy theorists but professionals and experts. Anyone raising concerns was quickly censored and mocked.

There is damming evidence that many people were reported as having died of covid when they did not. There is damming evidence that people with disabilities were denied basic care and died unnecessarily. Yet still the covid hysteria continues. We are seeing it here on this thread with people eagerly supporting the imprisonment of people who decline the vaccine despite the fact it has a 99 per cent recovery rate and is a mild illness to most. So mild in fact many people don’t know they have it.

This article details the murders that occurred under the guise of covid with their illegal DNR policy’s.

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2020/10/uk-older-people-in-care-homes-abandoned-to-die-amid-government-failures-during-covid-19-pandemic/

The government realised something in their campaign. And that is that if you give people an opportunity to be nasty many will eagerly embrace it. I’ve been shocked and disgusted at the snitching on neighbours, the shaming of people buying non essential items, the cutting off friends who have a different opinion. How some people have loved being able to abuse others under the guise of covid.

How some people did not realise something was terribly wrong I do not know. Instead they clapped the grinning nurses who were denying our relatives basic care and were so overwhelmed they were able to choreograph various dance routines.

@littlelordfuckleroy

People are anonymous on here so therefore more likely to speak the truth.

People in real life could very well say they're vaccinated without actually being so

I don't go round asking people if they're vaccinated. I know just one or two vocal refusers though. There seem to be more on here than I encounter in real life.

@ColinTheKoala

That doesn't change the fact that the benefits outweight the risks, as stated in my post

In your opinion. And in my opinion. But not in everyone's opinion.

You say the benefits outweigh the risks but you don’t know the long term risk here as it’s still in the clinical trial stage.

There are 40,000 users a day, so maybe that's why

@littlelordfuckleroy

People are anonymous on here so therefore more likely to speak the truth.

People in real life could very well say they're vaccinated without actually being so

Say what? The people you know and associate with are more likely to be liars that randoms on MN? You know some very strange people if that's your idea.

SM (and forums like this) are, I imagine made up of far more lies than real life interaction. By definition. That's without factoring in the shills and astroturfers.