Vaccinations to made a legal requirement in Austria from Feb 2022

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Days after Austria imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it has announced a full national Covid-19 lockdown starting on Monday.

Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg said it would last at least 10 days and there would be a legal requirement to get vaccinated from 1 February 2022.

Jesus. I'm shocked by that. I'm not an antivaxxer but I still very concerned that a country could make any vaccine a legal requirement! I feel it's a step too far.

@JassyRadlett

Ok, and what was their policy on this..?

Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough. Their policy was to deny vaccines to members of subject races. I was agreeing with the previous post I quoted.

My overall point is that people speculating about ‘it’s what Hitler would have done!’ is quite silly when we have actual information about what he and his colleagues did.

Thanks for clarifying @Jassy!

@Chocolatefreak

To register your child for school in France and Switzerland, (and probably other European countries too) you have to take your child's vaccination booklet as proof they're all up to date. No vaccinations, no school. No - one sees a problem with that.

I do. I think it’s terrible. Punishing a 5 year old for their parents’ poor decision making.

Arguably (and yes, I know not everyone who doesn’t vaccinate their child thinks this) if someone is so scientifically illiterate they think the MMR causes autism, their child needs a proper education more than most.

No worries! I shoehorned two points together without actually explaining properly…

@RubyFakeLips

This thread is fast moving and I’m skimming as I find much of the Nazi chat upsetting. However, I can’t see if this has already been mentioned.

According to several sources, including the Guardian Mandatory vaccination is not unprecedented in Austria. In 1948 the postwar government made vaccination against smallpox compulsory by law.

So maybe we are extrapolating a lot of this to the UK attitude where it is unprecedented?

It is not unprecedented in the UK to compel the individual for the benefit of the overall nation.

Smallpox vaccination has been compulsory in the UK too in the 1850s.

There are also other situations not related to vaccines such as Conscription.

I am not in favour of mandatory vaccination, but do agree with legally enforceable restrictions on those who choose not to vaccinate.

[quote sdfgta15]@colin56
Wow, you personally knew all the small number of cases of side effects the the UK. Some circle you have.
Have a look in an ICU and see the people there. Just get vaccinated so this can stop. Thanks.

That's my point, I don't have a big circle of friends, these are genuine, I am one of them. I am vaccinated, and very frightened about what is happening to me and to others. My case isn't reported, I've yellow carded it. The person I know who died, their case isn't in the press. Why not?
In the words of the neurologist 'my colleagues and I just don't know'. WTAF? The specialists don't know. Yet, you and others think it is ok to mandate people should have an unproven experimental vaccine injected into them when the experts 'don't know' why it is causing these side effects.[/quote]
@sdfgta15
Look, Im not at all pro vaccine but I now realise that covid is a neverending merry go round unless we vaccinate as many people as we can. I dont think you can directly link those incidents to vaccines, I really dont. You can say that ypu think they are vaccine related but theres no direct link. I get the questions though, I really do but we have to get vaccinated. If thats mandatory then so be it. I want to reduce my risk so I got the shot but I also want life without covid. What do you suggest we do?

@Frostythesnowperson

How on earth are they going to impose this? Surely there’s all kinds of legal implications??

The law makers rewrite the law, it happens all the time it’s just that most people have never really thought about it before.

Coronavirus isn’t yellow fever Well that's amazing news. Do you think that's why they developed a new vaccine instead of using the yellow fever one?

@Colin56 - you wrote this:

'Cant happen fast enough for me. Get vaccinated or dont participate. My freedom to participate in life is because I choose to get vaccinated. If you want to stay selfish then stay at home.'

You do realise that if this law did come into affect, someone who chose not to get vaccinated could stay at home, voluntarily self isolate, exclude themselves from society, do all that you suggest, and still be fined and/or sent to prison?

That is what is so terrifying about this prospect. I say this as someone who is doubly vaccinated, am very happy to have to show a Covid pass to get into restaurants/sports stadiums etc if required... but making a vaccination mandatory is off the scale in terms of state overreach.

*effect

@MaxNormal

That is one hell of a Rubicon they are crossing. Even France didn't get that one through.

Anyone who supports this... its one hell of a precedent to hand over bodily autonomy to the state.

I agree, it’s worrying.

Australia, Belgium and Luxembourg have compulsory voting - fined if you don't vote, so enforced.

I don't think this is terrifying at all. People with treatable disease are having to wait for their treatment in hospitals due to rising Covid patients. I'm personally fed up to the back teeth with Covid, but I do my duty to society - have had my booster and flu vaccine too. To be clear here, loads of younger people were getting their booster vaccine and one young man was paying for his flu vaccine when I had mine in Boots.

It's just essential to get us back on track to a post Covid normality and I welcome this measure, extreme as it may seem.

Those here who are worried. Like me.

We are not alone. Despite a few who seem unnervingly, freakishly happy about it. There are millions around the world who are not.

Protests across the world are taking place every day. The mainstream media doesn't show these. Ask yourself why.

But protestors or those nearby have filmed these protests. They are all over places like Twitter to see.

It only takes a few of us to stand up and say No. And more will then join. We can stand up to governments and stop them from going down this route.

Only on Mumsnet! Everyone I know is vaccinated and couldn't wait to get the vaccine. A family member is 39 and is gutted that they won't be getting the booster.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/state-fear-ministers-used-covert-tactics-keep-scared-public/

You have all been played, many on here were saying it months ago and were shut down and labelled conspiracy theorists.

I used to have respect for the posters on here to a point.

@placemats

Australia, Belgium and Luxembourg have compulsory voting - fined if you don't vote, so enforced.

I don't think this is terrifying at all. People with treatable disease are having to wait for their treatment in hospitals due to rising Covid patients. I'm personally fed up to the back teeth with Covid, but I do my duty to society - have had my booster and flu vaccine too. To be clear here, loads of younger people were getting their booster vaccine and one young man was paying for his flu vaccine when I had mine in Boots.

It's just essential to get us back on track to a post Covid normality and I welcome this measure, extreme as it may seem.

We will not be going back to post covid normality. Its not called the new normal for no reason. This is our new normal. Batshittery.

You can't compare being forced to vote, putting a cross on a piece of paper, with losing everything, fined or sent to prison for not wanting to have a drug injected (for whatever reason)

I think it's great, I'm assuming anyone who can't have it is exempt and everyone else can get over themselves

You'd think, re the exemptions, but I'm struggling to get one despite a letter from my NHS consultant saying that I shouldn't have the vaccine.
Sorry to me-rail with this yet again but it's pertinent as there seems to be the belief that it's clear cut as to who should or shouldn't have it and that there are appropriate exemptions being made and this simply isn't the case.

It's getting quite scary tbh.

My post clearly isn't comparing Smallpox and Covid, I'm making the point that Austria has some history of mandatory vaccination...

@Neron

You can't compare being forced to vote, putting a cross on a piece of paper, with losing everything, fined or sent to prison for not wanting to have a drug injected (for whatever reason)

Do we know what the penalties for non-compliance will be? I thought I’d seen that they were likely to be civil (ie fines) rather than criminal.

Three weeks to flatten the curve and look where we are now nearly 2 years on.

Do we know what the penalties for non-compliance will be? I thought I’d seen that they were likely to be civil (ie fines) rather than criminal.

That makes is OK then - does it?

@JassyRadlett

The Guardian says

'Those refusing to be vaccinated are likely to face administrative fines, which can be converted into a prison sentence if the fine cannot be recovered.'

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/19/austria-plans-compulsory-covid-vaccination-for-all

@userperuser

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/state-fear-ministers-used-covert-tactics-keep-scared-public/

You have all been played, many on here were saying it months ago and were shut down and labelled conspiracy theorists.

I used to have respect for the posters on here to a point.

Ah good old telegraph. Most of us will be stuck behind a paywall so what does the article say?

And what do you mean "you've been played"?

@Immaculatemisconception

Only on Mumsnet! Everyone I know is vaccinated and couldn't wait to get the vaccine. A family member is 39 and is gutted that they won't be getting the booster.

I'm the same. I have the vaccine and booster, so has DH all the adults in my family are double vaccinated and some have had the booster, all my colleagues have had vaccines and boosters, clients at work all doubled vaccinated and had boosters. My nextdoor neighbours both sides double jabbed and had booster.

I don't know anyone who hasn't had it except GC of 14, I think they are due at his school next week.

Of course given the statistics on who has had their jabs it is logical as the vast majority have had two jabs and lots have had the booster.

Yes

Funnily enough you never see a poster saying, I understand the benefits outweigh the risks, it will reduce risk of infection & onward transmission, and there are significant benefits to wider society, but I don't want to be vaccinated.

It's always, I don't want to be vaccinated because.. various misinformation