AIBU That we learn to accept COVID is here to stay!

[Jakie7700]

That now a massive number is double vaccinated those who want to be and that teenagers have started to be offered them, it seems so ridiculous that kids are still losing out on school because they are being sent home as they have a minor cold with minor cough. Covid will still be around in years to come, so will children still be sent home then with a mild cough due to colds?

Many missed days of school waiting for PCR results, parents usually mothers missing work over and over. Nobody seemed to care two years back when these same children were spreading flu, chicken pox etc which can all kill or cause serious complications both in adults and children.

Nothing is going to change you can get COVID again like a cold. Just last week I heard of two friends kids being sent home because of mild cough (coughed three/four times the whole day) missed days of school waiting for results only to be negative and then told this will happen every time they have a cough which as most will know in primary children will be alot over winter! These same parents who have nearly lost jobs due to having to juggle childcare through lockdowns. Surely it is just time to accept COVID is isn't going anywhere and stop making kids espeically suffer.

*and test

@noblegiraffe
It is ridiculous that after all this time kids are still missing out on education when most of adults have been double vaccinated. At what point are teachers or schools happy for a child who coughs three times in a day to be at school, next year? The year after? Never? Because does that seem realistic that people can keep taking time off work and potentially lose jobs or money they cannot afford to lose.

[quote Jakie7700]@noblegiraffe
It is ridiculous that after all this time kids are still missing out on education when most of adults have been double vaccinated. At what point are teachers or schools happy for a child who coughs three times in a day to be at school, next year? The year after? Never? Because does that seem realistic that people can keep taking time off work and potentially lose jobs or money they cannot afford to lose.[/quote]
See my previous post. It’s not about teachers or schools ‘“being happy”. We’re following local PHE guidance - isolate and test for ANY symptom.

And I think you’re being obtuse about the coughing. 3 x clearing throat for a tickle = not a cough. 3 bouts of coughing is unusual (unless asthmatic) so take a test.

@MrsHerculePoirot
I didn't tell you off at all. Unlike you and some others. I stated that people sent their children in to school with some of these illnesses.

You choose to point out that chicken pox is hardly comparable as it only kill x amount of children each year. I then asked why you didnt choose to point out how many children die of flu each year as the numbers were much higher.

It is ridiculous that after all this time kids are still missing out on education when most of adults have been double vaccinated.

And yet you also say that you think kids with covid shouldn't be in school.

This is going around in circles. You need to have a coherent position. If you think it is ridiculous that kids are missing out on education when adults are double vaccinated then you have to accept that you are arguing for kids with covid to be in school.

If you don't want kids with covid to be in school then you have to accept that you are arguing for mitigations which at least involve finding out whether a kid with covid symptoms has covid before allowing them in school, and that this will involve kids missing some school.

All your hedging around acceptable levels of cough (and pushing to not err on the side of caution where testing with a cough is concerned) is essentially saying 'schools should be trying to diagnose covid instead of using covid tests to diagnose covid'.

@motherrunner
But isn't that the point not all schools are following that guidance.
So how does a teacher know the difference between a child coughing to clear their throat three times or coughing three times as they have covid. It has already been pointed out that teachers can't know if it's covid?

[quote Jakie7700]@motherrunner
But isn't that the point not all schools are following that guidance.
So how does a teacher know the difference between a child coughing to clear their throat three times or coughing three times as they have covid. It has already been pointed out that teachers can't know if it's covid?[/quote]
Teachers aren't sitting their counting coughs. I had some sympathy with your views earlier as I find the amount of time kids are missing concerning too. Although I do not agree children with symptoms should go to school.

Now you are just teacher bashing. Schools are using the guidance set by phe and the dfe. They are not the ones setting policy. Your anger is misplaced.

*there counting coughs (excuse my poor grammar - typing too fast)

@ArthurTudor
I am not bashing teachers. Yes most are using that guidance but like me and another poster have said there seems to be some schools not following it the same as other schools seem too.

In those schools I am talking about whether you like it or not it will be the teacher or head telling the parent their child can attend with a mild cough as long as they are not coughing constantly.

In those schools I am talking about whether you like it or not it will be the teacher or head telling the parent their child can attend with a mild cough as long as they are not coughing constantly.

And do you think that school is right or wrong? Because in your OP you seemed to think that it was right, but then you also said you didn't think kids with covid should be in school.

Have you changed your mind?

@noblegiraffe
At this point in the post it is obvious people really don't care about my personal opinions and I should not have one as it doesn't match their own. Oh just read my mind like other posters seem to think they can.

YANBU

At all 🙂

People have lost all perspective around this virus, and are either blind to or do not care about the damage we are inflicting on the younger generation.

At this point in the post it is obvious people really don't care about my personal opinions

So that's what you've come up with to avoid answering the question?

Do you think schools are right or wrong to send home kids who have covid symptoms?

Your OP said that they were wrong. Do you still agree with that?

Bring critical of teachers (or anyone else for that matter) is not "bashing" them it is merely criticising them. Since when did applying your critical thinking and reasoning become an act of aggression???

[quote Jakie7700]@noblegiraffe
At this point in the post it is obvious people really don't care about my personal opinions and I should not have one as it doesn't match their own. Oh just read my mind like other posters seem to think they can.[/quote]
Nope. There is clearly little evidence on here of any posters being able to read your mind.

What damage is being inflicted by asking sick people to stay at home?

Worth listening to Nick Robinson’s interview with the head of lung medicine at Royal Preston Hospital (Today Programme, yesterday on iPlayer).
They have a medication in development, initial results very encouraging. It’s in tablet form, 2 given 4 times daily, will prevent people becoming seriously ill/hospitalised. The medic described it as “game-changing”.
There are a lot of very smart people working on this. Covid itself may be here to stay but it’s devastating results by no means certainly are.

@Lilifer

Bring critical of teachers (or anyone else for that matter) is not "bashing" them it is merely criticising them. Since when did applying your critical thinking and reasoning become an act of aggression???

In this case there is not even a need to criticise teachers. Classroom teachers are not responsible for these decisions. It is phe and the dfe. It's hardly using critical thinking to criticise those who aren't responsible for decision making

It becomes bashing when it's constant unwarranted criticism.

@Lilifer

YANBU

At all 🙂

People have lost all perspective around this virus, and are either blind to or do not care about the damage we are inflicting on the younger generation.

And the older generation and every generation in between!

@MrsHerculePoirot

except that these are explicitly stated to be used for asymptomatic cases.

That is incorrect. It is perfectly acceptable to use them for a cold if none of the three main symptoms is present. Official advice is to use PCR if one of the three main symptoms is present (temperature, new continuous cough, or loss of taste or smell).

Lateral flow tests are actually very accurate (95%) at detecting covid if you do the test when symptoms start.
www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2021/smd/lateral-flow-tests-are-95-effective-at-detecting-covid-19-when-used-at-the-onset-of-symptoms.html

If not wanting my kids to miss their education for the sake of a very marginal increase in test accuracy, makes me a selfish twt, so be it. Me and 90% of parents are selfish twts. But just remember it's our kids who will be the doctors, nurses, carers and taxpayers who look after you in your old age. Are you okay with the fact that they'll be less educated and competent because of the missed schooling? Everything in life is a trade off

It is perfectly acceptable to use them for a cold if none of the three main symptoms is present.

But we are specifically talking about kids with one of the three main symptoms so your post is irrelevant.

Again if people want to disagree with me thats fine. I disagree with alot of what you have also said. We are all grown ups and allowed to voice our opinions regardless of who is right or in the wrong as long as we aren't bullying or being abusive towards one another.

What does concern me is that after you telling me over and over how much you disagree with my opinions you feel the need to keep using bullying tactics as I will not agree with you or admit in your eyes I am wrong. And you say I am bashing teachers!

You might want to take a look at all the threads alot of you constantly post of having a go and calling out anyone who doesn't look at things your way.

Again if people want to disagree with me thats fine.

Disagree with you? You appear to be disagreeing with yourself.

The OP said kids were sent for a PCR having coughed three/four times the whole day. I'm my view this doesn't count as a 'new continuous cough' but I know others on this thread disagree. We can go round and round in circles as to what level of cough is 'PCR testing' worthy. My point is that most of those kids have colds and they shouldn't be missing school waiting for PCR tests. A lateral flow is pretty accurate at detecting covid, if done early.