AIBU That we learn to accept COVID is here to stay!

[Jakie7700]

That now a massive number is double vaccinated those who want to be and that teenagers have started to be offered them, it seems so ridiculous that kids are still losing out on school because they are being sent home as they have a minor cold with minor cough. Covid will still be around in years to come, so will children still be sent home then with a mild cough due to colds?

Many missed days of school waiting for PCR results, parents usually mothers missing work over and over. Nobody seemed to care two years back when these same children were spreading flu, chicken pox etc which can all kill or cause serious complications both in adults and children.

Nothing is going to change you can get COVID again like a cold. Just last week I heard of two friends kids being sent home because of mild cough (coughed three/four times the whole day) missed days of school waiting for results only to be negative and then told this will happen every time they have a cough which as most will know in primary children will be alot over winter! These same parents who have nearly lost jobs due to having to juggle childcare through lockdowns. Surely it is just time to accept COVID is isn't going anywhere and stop making kids espeically suffer.

@noblegiraffe
If you say so

My point is that most of those kids have colds and they shouldn't be missing school waiting for PCR tests.

Which is fine, so long as you agree that some of them will have covid so you are arguing that kids with covid who are displaying symptoms of covid should be allowed to come to school and that schools should be encouraging parents to not follow government and NHS guidelines in order to facilitate this.

That is what you are arguing, right?

[quote ArialAnna]@MrsHerculePoirot

except that these are explicitly stated to be used for asymptomatic cases.

That is incorrect. It is perfectly acceptable to use them for a cold if none of the three main symptoms is present. Official advice is to use PCR if one of the three main symptoms is present (temperature, new continuous cough, or loss of taste or smell).

Lateral flow tests are actually very accurate (95%) at detecting covid if you do the test when symptoms start.
www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2021/smd/lateral-flow-tests-are-95-effective-at-detecting-covid-19-when-used-at-the-onset-of-symptoms.html

If not wanting my kids to miss their education for the sake of a very marginal increase in test accuracy, makes me a selfish twt, so be it. Me and 90% of parents are selfish twts. But just remember it's our kids who will be the doctors, nurses, carers and taxpayers who look after you in your old age. Are you okay with the fact that they'll be less educated and competent because of the missed schooling? Everything in life is a trade off[/quote]
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[quote Jakie7700]@noblegiraffe
If you say so[/quote]
Well you have posted contradictory statements and refused to answer as to which is your actual opinion so that is the only conclusion which one can logically draw.

No, you clearly didn't read what I wrote.

I'm saying that a lateral flow test should be used to determine whether children should should be allowed to tend school IF they have cold like symptoms but are otherwise okay. If you bothered to click on the link I posted you'll see that lateral flow tests are actually pretty accurate. The marginal increase in accuracy from a PCR test in my mind is not worth the trade off of so many missed school hours.

@noblegiraffe
You can draw whatever conclusion you like from it.
I for one hope anyone on this thread that has posted nasty comments such as
I am a dick
Wind me fucking neck in
Implying I am stupid
Using words offensive to people with learning disabilities
Crawl back under my fucking rock
Are not teachers as I know for sure if the children you teach were writing this to another people it would be classed as bullying. But hey it's ok as it's anonymous right.

"in your mind?"
Ah OK. Let's tell Boris and the science bods in charge.

I'm saying that a lateral flow test should be used to determine whether children should should be allowed to tend school IF they have cold like symptoms but are otherwise okay

You included a cough in those 'cold like symptoms' though, didn't you?

You have decided that a cough with 'cold like symptoms' is not worth a PCR. The government website doesn't say 'have a PCR for a cough, but only if it isn't with cold like symptoms' does it?

So you are arguing that schools shouldn't follow government guidelines. Just so we're clear.

"you telling me over and over how much you disagree with my opinions"
Another one here who isn't clear on exactly what your opinions are.

There are many, many posters on this thread. You seem to have decided that those who have posted those (unpleasant) remarks are teachers.
Your antipathy towards teachers is becoming more and more clear with every post.

I've tried to establish what your actual opinion is.

You started a thread in order to post your opinion. Which you now appear to disagree with.

Did you not actually want people to engage with what you wrote?

@CallmeHendricks
Again if you say so

@noblegiraffe

Well now we return to the definition of 'new continuous cough' don't we? We are just going round in circles, and no offense, but I feel like you are just spoiling for a fight and frankly I have better things to do today, so I'm ducking out now.

@CallmeHendricks

"in your mind?" Ah OK. Let's tell Boris and the science bods in charge.

Ffs As @ArialAnna already pointed out , PCR’s are not required unless you have a temp, new continuous cough or loss of sense of taste and smell. So yes it is perfectly acceptable to take a lateral flow with cold symptoms. If you think people with cold symptoms should be taking PCR’s and isolating, the onus is on you to inform the gov bods as those aren’t the rules.

Well now we return to the definition of 'new continuous cough' don't we?

Indeed, and you are another one who seems to think that schools should be diagnosing covid rather than relying on PCR testing.

Biz you seem to have missed that Anna is talking about children with a cough.

[quote ArialAnna]@noblegiraffe

Well now we return to the definition of 'new continuous cough' don't we? We are just going round in circles, and no offense, but I feel like you are just spoiling for a fight and frankly I have better things to do today, so I'm ducking out now.[/quote]
So what is a new continuous cough then?
2 of my 3 don’t usually get a cough after a cold (like you previously stated) one does, however he doesn’t always have a cough only when he has an infection (viral or bacterial)
If my child who doesn’t usually develop a cough has cold like symptoms with a cough (3-4 times during school) what would you advise? What about my child who does get a cough with viruses. If he suddenly starts coughing (3-4 times) but has cold symptoms shall I ignore the cough and send him in?

@noblegiraffe

Biz you seem to have missed that Anna is talking about children with a cough.

There is a reason why “new” and “continuous” are added as qualifiers to “cough”. You seem to find these words redundant? Actually There’s a very good reason why they are included- perhaps you would like to take this up with the science bods?

You seem to find these words redundant?

No, Anna seems to find these words redundant so long as they are accompanied by 'cold symptoms'.

But that’s the entirely true @Bizawit.

Some local PHEs (mine included if you scroll back to my previous posts) have asked students and staff to take a PCR for ANY symptom due to high number of cases.

It’s the ‘gov boss’ @Bizawit who have implemented this:

www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/news/new-guidance-schools-combat-spread-new-variants

PCR test and isolate for ANY symptom.

*bods

@motherrunner

But that’s the entirely true *@Bizawit*.

Some local PHEs (mine included if you scroll back to my previous posts) have asked students and staff to take a PCR for ANY symptom due to high number of cases.

Ah I see, I hadn’t realised some local authorities were now saying this. Well I guess it depends where you are then 💁🏼‍♀️.
Personally I think this is pretty unreasonable. Also worth noting it is guidance, not law.

Personally I think this is pretty unreasonable
Why?

@MrsHamlet

Personally I think this is pretty unreasonable Why?

For the reasons other people have already pointed out. -That small children get common viruses on average 8-12 times a year (and sometimes symptoms last some time- feels like my toddler has a permanent runny nose)

• That requiring PCRs + isolation awaiting results while result in children missing an inordinate amount of school (not to mention the lab resources required for all those PCRs).
• That LFT tests are actually very accurate if you have symptoms, so will pick up the vast majority of cases.

Given these factors, i don’t think such a rule constitutes a proper balancing of the various risks/ harms/ benefits. This is presumably also why it isn’t national guidance.