AIBU That we learn to accept COVID is here to stay!

[Jakie7700]

That now a massive number is double vaccinated those who want to be and that teenagers have started to be offered them, it seems so ridiculous that kids are still losing out on school because they are being sent home as they have a minor cold with minor cough. Covid will still be around in years to come, so will children still be sent home then with a mild cough due to colds?

Many missed days of school waiting for PCR results, parents usually mothers missing work over and over. Nobody seemed to care two years back when these same children were spreading flu, chicken pox etc which can all kill or cause serious complications both in adults and children.

Nothing is going to change you can get COVID again like a cold. Just last week I heard of two friends kids being sent home because of mild cough (coughed three/four times the whole day) missed days of school waiting for results only to be negative and then told this will happen every time they have a cough which as most will know in primary children will be alot over winter! These same parents who have nearly lost jobs due to having to juggle childcare through lockdowns. Surely it is just time to accept COVID is isn't going anywhere and stop making kids espeically suffer.

@Jakie7700

But surely it is a question people should ask themselves. It is still going to be around next winter. Surely this is not the way forward to again make children over and over lose out on many missed days of education. Those who are not going to get vaccinated and still going to be unvaccinated next year and the year after.

What happens next year is not relevant to now though is it? Nobody knows how covid will progress nor do they know what treatments may become available. Scientists haven't just stopped working now that the initial vaccines are done. It is an evolving situation and you can only deal with the here and now.

Saying fuck the unvaccinated idiots would be fine if it was only them that are affected but if hospitals become overwhelmed it isn't just them. If pcrs are taking so long to come back in the Uk then the answer is perhaps quicker turn around times for pcr tests, not sending sick children into school.

@Strictly1
Why are they having a PCR test for a headache or runny nose? No wonder why in some areas test results are taking days.

[quote Jakie7700]@Strictly1
Why are they having a PCR test for a headache or runny nose? No wonder why in some areas test results are taking days.[/quote]
They've tested positive. Most who have tested positive have had a prolonged headache.

@catgirl1976

I agree we need to learn to live with COVID but living with COVID does NOT mean running around pretending it doesn't exist and carrying on as before.

To live with COVID we need to accept simple measures like mask wearing and ventilation. We need to accept that sometimes restrictions may be necessary for a period. We need to accept we may need to isolate whilst we get tested. We need to make sensible decisions about how we socialise and work. We need everyone who is able to do so to get vaccinated and have booster where they can.

Yes, I agree.

It's the "new normal".

I think things like closing schools and hospitality venues etc won't happen again, because we probably can't afford to do that to the economy! I also wouldn't like schools to close and I work in hospitality, so clearly don't want that to close either.

But mask wearing (unless you're exempt or truly find it distressing) and opening a few windows doesn't really hurt anyone...or does it?? As always on MN I have to await correction on that one!

@Strictly1
Why are they having a PCR test for a headache or runny nose? No wonder why in some areas test results are taking days.

Because those are some of the main symptoms of Delta.

They’re likely to have had it already so that is tough going - maybe not as not all have yet

I know my dc have had it which makes it easier

@Strictly1
Surely they had other symptoms to trigger a PCR test? You don't get one for a headache?

@Jakie7700 it is incredibly worrying that you are so unaware of the main symptoms of the Delta variant.

Yes you do get a PCR test for a headache and runny nose given those are some of the main symptoms FFS.

[quote Jakie7700]@Strictly1
Surely they had other symptoms to trigger a PCR test? You don't get one for a headache?[/quote]
Nope. We've found that to be the main symptom and talking to other schools they have too.

@DifferentHair

Personally I think it was always a dick move to send your child to school with a cough/cold/flu, throwing their germs around like confetti.

Did you do that before OP? Because pandemic or no pandemic, it's a shitty thing to do.

If people kept their sick kids home as a matter of course, then those kids wouldn't be in class getting five other kids sick, whose parents would then have to keep them home and lose their time at work.

This this THIS with bells on.

So far, the evidence shows that Delta symptoms may be different and vary in severity depending on whether you’ve had the vaccine or not.

According to the data from the ZOE app, the top five symptoms if you’ve had two vaccinations are:

headache
runny nose
sneezing
sore throat
loss of smell

If you’ve had one vaccine, they are:

headache
runny nose
sore throat
sneezing
persistent cough

If you’ve not had the vaccine, the top five symptoms are:

headache
sore throat
runny nose
fever
persistent cough

@catgirl1976
Unless asked to get a PCR track and trace or doctors etc if you go through the gov.uk PCR site it will tell you unless told to get a test if you do not have one of the three main symptoms ie continuous cough, loss of taste and or smell or temp you are not eligible. Where were do you go to get the test if you have a headache wold love to know?

I volunteer in a charity shop and we've been open the whole time it's been possible. No cases at all while people have been wearing masks.
Last 2 or 3 weeks only about a third of customers bother with a mask and now we're closed due to Covid. I doubt I'll go back if people continue to be so careless of others.

@Jakie7700

The government are refusing to update the main symptoms even though they know they have changed. Therefore you listen to the actual science and you get a PCR test if you have a headache / runny nose given that those are the MAIN symptoms of the Delta variant.

You ignore what the government tick box says and tick it anyway because you know that you have the main symptoms because you bother to read the Zoe studies etc and you are a responsible person who would like this pandemic to end and put as few people as possible at risk.

It's really not difficult.

@catgirl1976
Please don't talk down to me. I do listen to the science almost daily. I am fully aware symptoms such as headache etc can be another sign of covid. It can also be the symptom of a common cold or just a headache.
So really it is quite difficult as you are lying on the gov.uk page to get yourself a test. Kind of answers my own question as to why results in some areas are taking so long

I find it frustrating that often the people most vocal about wanting Covid to be over are the ones whose behaviour and attitude mean they are those most likely to be prolonging the pandemic.

@catgirl1976
And I find the ones that like to talk down to others for having a opinion and make out they are stupid for not being as intelligent as them usually talk nothing but bullshit

All I've said is the main symptom of Delta is a headache followed by a runny nose which you claim to already know. Not sure which bit of that you think is "bullshit" but take it up with Tim Spector if you disagree.

You've also said that despite knowing this you would a) not get a PCR if you had those symptoms and b) would send you child into school if they had them. So I think feeling you are part of the reason the pandemic may last longer than it needs to is not unreasonable.

@catgirl1976
Sorry must of missed the part where I said I would send my child to school with the three main covid symptoms set out by the government. And to answer the other question no I would not lie on the gov.uk to get me or my child a PCR for a headache as I believe this not to be morally acceptable. As the reason some tests of positive COVID tests are taking longer is more than likely people which confirmed by yourself lie to get a PCR test

How exactly are they being screwed for the third year in a row?

We have had zero lockdown this academic year

yes sick children are being kept off school but so they should be

if you pcr test as a precaution you can still go in to school

even on postal pcr tests they are very fast I posted one 3pm Friday got the results Sunday morning he didn't miss a day of school

Its slammed the school in several years but these teachers and students were too sick to attend anyway so what do you suggest we do about that? Demand they attend so children can have the pleasure of there teacher coughing her lungs out infront of them? Perhaps the children who have ended up being hospitalised should be pushed into school too I mean staff can handle a drip right? After all "education matters"

[quote Jakie7700]@catgirl1976
Sorry must of missed the part where I said I would send my child to school with the three main covid symptoms set out by the government. And to answer the other question no I would not lie on the gov.uk to get me or my child a PCR for a headache as I believe this not to be morally acceptable. As the reason some tests of positive COVID tests are taking longer is more than likely people which confirmed by yourself lie to get a PCR test[/quote]
So it's not morally acceptable to lie on the government website (which is set up the way it is solely to look like numbers are less than they actually are), but it is morally acceptable to ignore symptoms of covid (which you profess to know is a headache and runny nose also) and send those kids to school/let them spread it to everyone?

Makes sense.

@Jakie7700 Sorry must of missed the part where I said I would send my child to school with the three main covid symptoms set out by the government.

It's great you wouldn't send them into school with the three main symptoms of the Alpha variant. But they are very unlikely to have that.

They are much more likely to have the Delta variant. The main symptoms of which you would, for some reason, send them into school with. Because you would rather spread Covid than enter incorrect information into a government form you know not to be fit for purpose?

You don't get a PCR as a precaution you get one as you are showing symptoms or been asked to go get one. Are people really getting them by lying just as a precaution or as they have a headache?
Maybe this is part of the problem then. Children missing days of school each time they don't have covid but need a PCR test before returning to school as they have coughed three times that day but adults and making the result times longer by falsely getting a PCR when it's not needed.

"You don't get a PCR as a precaution you get one as you are showing symptoms"

A headache is a symptom. It is the MAIN symptom. It is the NUMBER ONE symptom. It is the symptom you are most likely to display if you have Covid.

A runny nose is the next MAIN symptom.

If you have a headache and a runny nose then you are showing the main symptoms of Delta. Might be cold might be Covid. If only there was some way to tell.

@catgirl1976
Do you have children, if so does your child's school say to keep them off with a cold if they are well enough to come in? All of my children's school and every other of friends and family I know have stated if your child has any of the three COVID symptoms the government set out they need a PCR result negative before returning. If they have mild cold symptoms runny nose, sneezing but are well enough themself they are fine to come into school.

Most EYFS children have so many colds over winter if you were to keep them off because of every mild illness they would hardly attend school. Is that what you are suggesting?