Are people no longer bothered by Covid….?

[Iwannabelikeyouohh]

Is anyone actually bothered about Covid?
From places I’ve been recently, everyone is just “normal”

I took my son to a toddler class this morning.

I walked in wearing my mask. Room full of 19 other adults and their toddlers.

Not one single adult had a mask on (expect me)
There was no distancing in the class.
It was as normal as normal can be.

I joined a new slimming class tonight.

Again I walked in wearing a mask. No one else had one on.
All chairs pushed up together, people sat close.

I don’t get it.

How can we go from distancing, mask wearing, avoiding people on walks (which is exactly what it was like) to nothing….

and still maintain no restrictions were necessary.

If you think trying to criminalise people for normal behaviour like sitting on a bench in a park even during a pandemic is anyway acceptable, many of mitigations and restrictions never made any sense at all.

@Againstmachine

I assume it’s the fact that he didn’t wear a mask at Wimbledon, while surrounded by strangers. So he obviously doesn’t think they’re that important.

Exactly I forgot to put that on but by same token no he shouldn't live like a hermit but come on.

But he (and Witty) have both advised masks should be worn in crowded indoor spaces?

He's not going against anything he asked others to do.

I think because now people are vaccinated and resection are lifted(whether they should be or not) we can’t live in fear forever. The vaccine should provide some protection, herd immunity will hopefully work amongst those too young to have the vaccine and those who chose not to be vaccinated. If we can start to normalise life now then it will never happen. I think this is as good as it’s going to get from that perspective. Hopefully with the booster jab and herd immunity it can only get better from here. Yes there will still be deaths and cases but that’s is the case with any virus or disease. Most won’t be fully eradicated but only controlled to be best of our ability.

Then again, no one forcing you to go out; you can lock yourself down until you deem it safe for you.. but you’ll have to ask yourself when you think that will be

@Againstmachine

and still maintain no restrictions were necessary.

If you think trying to criminalise people for normal behaviour like sitting on a bench in a park even during a pandemic is anyway acceptable, many of mitigations and restrictions never made any sense at all.

Restrictions are always going to have to be based on things that seem illogical.

10 at a wedding, an 11th person isn't allowed.
2m to social distance not 1.9m
11pm curfew, not 10:59pm

None of these things mean that they are magic numbers that suddenly once over, you can transmit COVID, it's just a way of minimising and reducing and spread.

At the time of the bench sitting, we were in what was the strictest lockdown in the UK. Despite this, exercise was encouraged, hence why another rule had to be brought in to minimise people not hanging around outside. This is contrast to places like Spain where they didn't leave their house at all for exercise.

I don't know how you could live through the past 18 months and maintain that no restrictions were necessary

I do care, but I’ve been doubled jabbed, I work mainly from Home & wear a mask on public transport and in shops but that is pretty much it now. Everyone has to live their lives now as to how they see fit and how they estimate risk. I take an lft about once a week and if I’m asked.
I have a friend who still only wants to meet outdoors and with one person at a time. I don’t want to live like that.

@FancySomeChips

I think is disgusting that people aren’t wearing masks in shops/public transport.

Just because you don’t care, just because you don’t think you are at risk doesn’t mean the people around you forced to breathe your germs feel the same.

Frankly, that's their problem.

And even if people are wearing masks, you're still breathing in their 'germs', just perhaps fewer of them. Not to mention that 'germs' weren't invented last March. We don't live our lives in a sterile tent, nor have we ever done so, however much some MNers would love to.

I don't know how you could live through the past 18 months and maintain that no restrictions were necessary confused

I'm confused that you don't think restrictions were heavy handed and a lot totally unnecessary as said the bench sitting in civilized world to me is unacceptable as is having to have a excuse to go out.

To say Spain had it worse so what spain behaved appalingly imprisoning children in a flat, their restrictions were completely vile.

To say Spain had it worse so what spain behaved appalingly imprisoning children in a flat, their restrictions were completely vile

Spain’s lockdown has been ruled as unlawful but it’s courts.

Hi OP - I find it to be people showing their true colors that they don't care about anyone but themselves, their own comfort or convenience. At least there is an outward sign of who to keep away from.

My respect for the Scottish, with their approach of reopening with basic precautions like masking and basic distance, has grown by leaps and bounds. Locally though, I'm happy to keep myself and my spending out of the general public for now.

Most people care about theirselves and there family's that is acceptable, there is a lot of people who pretend they care about everyone else but don't really.

I take it all these people who are that keen on masks were wearing them during previous flu seasons.

I didn't wear a mask during flu season before COVID, but I shall certainly be wearing one for the rest of my life. I'm not vulnerable, but I don't intend to be part of the disease spreading population. If you want to spread coughs and colds, feel free but my mask is also partly to protect me from your viral and bacterial spread.

@Againstmachine

Most people care about theirselves and there family's that is acceptable, there is a lot of people who pretend they care about everyone else but don't really.

I take it all these people who are that keen on masks were wearing them during previous flu seasons.

Did 'flu cause a global pandemic (in our lifetime) to the scale that coronavirus has done?

Have the general public been asked to wear masks during 'flu season previously?

FWIW, during the a particularly bad 'flu season I was asked to wear a surgical mask whilst working on site in a neuro hospital. I didn't see it as infringement of my rights or start desperately trying to find literature that showed they didn't work/were harmful.

*Did 'flu cause a global pandemic (in our lifetime) to the scale that coronavirus has done?

Have the general public been asked to wear masks during 'flu season previously?*

Except that flu every few years kills upto 50,000.

I'm not the one telling people to wear masks others are, I just think if people are calling people selfish, they need to look at past actions.

And if you call someone selfish and disgusting which many people on this thread do , for not wearing a mask that they are legally entitled to not too then you are a prick.

@Againstmachine

*Did 'flu cause a global pandemic (in our lifetime) to the scale that coronavirus has done?

Have the general public been asked to wear masks during 'flu season previously?*

Except that flu every few years kills upto 50,000.

I'm not the one telling people to wear masks others are, I just think if people are calling people selfish, they need to look at past actions.

And if you call someone selfish and disgusting which many people on this thread do , for not wearing a mask that they are legally entitled to not too then you are a prick.

I haven't referred to anyone that way and have always respected anyone who says they're exempt from wearing a mask.

'Flu is not comparable to COVID. If PHE had asked the general public to wear masks and everyone had ignored it, then yes you may have a point, but this have never been a public health mandate or guidance as the impact of 'flu has never been anywhere near this level.

So on a year at 50,000 it's been a Third of that level deaths.

PHE told people at beginning wearing masks wasnt needed, and there excuses about science changing are that excuses they had seen Sars mers which were airborne.

And it's not about being exempt from wearing them, you don't have to wear them.

@Againstmachine

So on a year at 50,000 it's been a Third of that level deaths.

PHE told people at beginning wearing masks wasnt needed, and there excuses about science changing are that excuses they had seen Sars mers which were airborne.

And it's not about being exempt from wearing them, you don't have to wear them.

I'm aware the guidance has changed, I was replying to your point about people not being able to wear them..

Advice changes as more evidence is gathered. Chris Witty initially stated that there was little point in wearing a mask to protect yourself, which is true. We didn't know how important the role is of asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission, and so it makes sense for people to wear them as a precautionary step in case they happen to be infectious.

I don't think we're going to get anywhere if you're trying to claim that coronavirus hasn't been less deadly than a 'flu season though.

@XingMing

I didn't wear a mask during flu season before COVID, but I shall certainly be wearing one for the rest of my life. I'm not vulnerable, but I don't intend to be part of the disease spreading population. If you want to spread coughs and colds, feel free but my mask is also partly to protect me from your viral and bacterial spread.

Flu has never killed 140,000 people in the UK in one outbreak, unless you are going back to the Spanish flu of 1918 when masks weren’t available! 🙄

I don't think we're going to get anywhere if you're trying to claim that coronavirus hasn't been less deadly than a 'flu season though.

I didn't claim that at all did I but in the UK death Wise's it's been about a third.

Nope evidence was the same previous sarrs virus were airborne, they changed there mind.

And whitty, valance and Vallance aren't trust worthy they ought to have resigned last year after they misused figures but people think that's ok.

In my job as a registrar of births and deaths I have dealt with many, many families who have lost loved ones due to Covid, I have seen and heard first hand the human impact this disease can have. It has also affected my own family as my husband is still battling the effects of long Covid 8 months after testing positive and is no longer able to participate in and enjoy many normal family activities. In addition my mother is in the CEV group and was shielding throughout as she has blood cancer and end stage kidney disease (due to start dialysis very soon), if she catches Covid most likely she will not survive, and I’m not ready to lose her yet, especially as she is close to being in remission and dialysis could give her another 10 years. So yes, I am still concerned about Covid and will continue to take precautions such as mask wearing, hand sanitising regularly and keeping my distance from people I don’t normally mix with. Other people can do as they wish, but this is my own personal position.

@Loverofoldfilms

My child has just been reinfected with Covid by his teacher at school and is very poorly. I work for an international business and my colleagues outside the UK are very puzzled by the UK approach. I think it's irresponsible but you are all happy and relaxed so maybe it's time for me to leave the country. I feel unsafe.

same. never have I felt more foreign. The rest of the world is aghast at the individualism on display.

@DifferentHair

I am moving on with my life while taking reasonable precautions to protect others because I'm not a selfish tit.

I stay home when I am sick. I wear masks in small spaces like shops and public transportation. I visit a vaccinated hairdresser and my children are cared for by vaccinated babysitters.

I am vaccinated and relatively young and healthy, I am not worried for myself. But I do not want to spread Covid to anyone. It hasn't disappeared, it's not 'like a cold' ffs. I don't find my precautions onerous and I am just fine to make these small changes to keep other people safe and keep society ticking along which is of benefit to everyone, including me.

Many Asian countries have lived with masks for decades. Wearing one is a sign of consideration for others, and that's how I see it.

OP if I was at that toddler group I would probably have worn a mask unless I was far apart from the other participants.

Everyone should listen to this very reasonable post from DifferentHair, I reckon. Well said!

Might be reasonable if it wasn't for the Asian country stichkt which ha seen disproved so many times.

Many Asian countries have lived with masks for decades. Wearing one is a sign of consideration for others, and that's how I see it.

I think you just need to accept not everyone feels like this. It’s a different culture and that’s where you live (unless you decide to move)

the individualism on display

That sums it up really. So many remind me of schoolchildren saying "I don't have to do it so I won't. No one's going to stop me doing what I like".

But on the flip side some can’t seem to stop telling other people what they should be doing.