Further considerations of mandatory vaccine

[Neron]

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario-call-for-evidence

What are peoples thoughts on this proposal?
Personally, I don't think this is good.

Outrageous. How could it be good?

What will they do if you don’t comply? Put you in prison?

And how many jabs will be mandatory? Is the limit ever changing?

What is our country coming to?

Have you read your link? It's nothing to do with mandatory vaccination. I'd request a title change as this is a little scaremonger-y.

It's about the possibility of bringing in a mandatory certificate in some settings, for which testing is an alternative to vaccination for those who don't want it.

mandatory vaccine-only certification could be introduced for all visitors aged 18 or over

members of the workforce aged 18 or over in these settings could then be required to test regularly, if they are not fully vaccinated

@pontypridd

Outrageous. How could it be good?

What will they do if you don’t comply? Put you in prison?

And how many jabs will be mandatory? Is the limit ever changing?

What is our country coming to?

This kind of response is exactly what I mean, @pontypridd please read the link!

@mnhq, maybe a title change?

Well it made me panic.

I didn’t read the link. Terrible excuse- but I have such disdain for this government I can’t bear to read any of their vile literature. Maybe it’s just laziness- but honestly my skin crawls looking at anything they’ve put out now.

This isn’t so bad perhaps @ollyollyoxenfree

You bet it’s just the start though. Let’s see where it leads us to.

@pontypridd

Well it made me panic.

I didn’t read the link. Terrible excuse- but I have such disdain for this government I can’t bear to read any of their vile literature. Maybe it’s just laziness- but honestly my skin crawls looking at anything they’ve put out now.

This isn’t so bad perhaps @ollyollyoxenfree

You bet it’s just the start though. Let’s see where it leads us to.

But you can't just panic at anything you read on the internet without doing a cursory look into whether it's a) saying what someone says it's saying and b) coming from a reasonably legit source?!

Yes you’re right.

But what used to be fact no longer is. I don’t trust the news anymore. I certainly don’t trust anything the government says or puts out.

@pontypridd

Yes you’re right.

But what used to be fact no longer is. I don’t trust the news anymore. I certainly don’t trust anything the government says or puts out.

Yes fair enough, but that's even more of a reason to try and critically think about the information you read before believing it automatically.

You've posted a lot about your fears of the COVID vaccines changing your DNA/causing AI diseases etc etc which is due to the same thing of reading misinformation, assuming it's true, and having huge amounts of anxiety and stress as a result.

Misleading thread title.
The consultation as I read is about Covid certification in certain settings if pressure on the NHS becomes unsustainable.

I’m in a strange place - as I’m sure many people are now - where it’s easier to think critically and question by having conversations with people here and in real life.

Fact is so insubstantial now. That may be the wrong word I’m looking for ... but the truth comes out in the wash.

I’m finding getting to the truth is easier done by talking to people, sharing opinions/ thoughts and ideas, asking questions. And waiting. Seeing what really happens.

I can’t read government propaganda. Which in the end it all is. Everything they put out is lies and spin. It takes me away from critical thinking reading that - not towards it.

Under Plan B, the government expects that mandatory vaccine-only certification for visitors to venues and events, and vaccine-or-test certification for the workforce would be introduced for the following venues and events:

all nightclubs, and other venues open after 1am with alcohol, music and dancing

indoor, crowded settings with 500 or more attendees where those attendees are likely to be in close proximity to people from other households, such as music venues or large receptions

outdoor, crowded settings with 4,000 or more attendees where those attendees are likely to be in close proximity to people from other households, such as outdoor festivals

any settings with 10,000 or more attendees, such as large sports and music stadia

There are some settings that will be exempt from requirements to use the NHS COVID Pass, such as:

communal worship

wedding ceremonies

funerals

other commemorative events

Sounds reasonable if the cases are high.

Thin end of the wedge...

Does anyone remember "it's just a three week lockdown to flatten the curve"?

Maybe another example for the "why are all the conspiracy theories coming true thread". (Yes, I know this isn't mandatory vaccination in the sense of people holding you down and forcibly injecting you, but it would be effectively mandatory if you wanted to live anything vaguely resembling a normal life).

Reasonable at first. Where does this lead to? One thing always leads to another. We are going down a slippery slope.

One thing, temporally, can lead to better situation. And it will end eventually. It's not permanent.
Looking at certain successful country like Denmark, I don't think it's something you need to fear.

Anyway, I agree the title of the thread is misleading and fearmongering, it's not mandatory vaccine, it's mandatory certification for certain places.

Genuine apologies if people feel it's a misleading title - @mnhq
Why I said consideration because it doesn't mean it, but equally apologise

Looking at certain successful country like Denmark

I wouldn’t put the UK in the same category as Denmark.

I think we align ourselves closer to the US and Australia. Look what’s happening there. It’s a slippery slope.

Do they think if they keep holding the consultations people will just give up and agree?

If cases high, then I would have no problem with vaccines or increased testing to enter optional places. I think that's what the link is about.

Mandatory vaccination is a whole other story though .....

Do they think if they keep holding the consultations people will just give up and agree?

I think so. Yes. They expect us to stop noticing.

For god's sake it's not necessary. Vaccine uptake here is high, the vast majority of people that would ordinarily cause an issue for the NHS have been double jabbed. What does this achieve exactly, except incur more hassle and expense for business, and further coercion of perfectly healthy people?

It IS the thin end of the wedge but this government seems determined to keep it alive. Scary.

Well, they heard evidence which suggested that vaccine passports would actually decrease uptake (as it increases distrust), so they're idiots if they go for it.

(It could possibly also have a negative impact on take up of other vaccines - not sure if there's been any evidence on that.)

mandatory vaccine-only certification could be introduced for all visitors aged 18 or over

Yes it’s definitely about safety as under 18s aren’t capable of transmitting the virus…..

It's absolutely ridiculous, especially this late in the day. The amount of double jabbed people catching and spreading covid makes a vaccine only pass totally pointless. I work in a school and we've been inundated this week with calls from double jabbed parents who are positive. There is no logic to any of it and it's pretty scary how many people think this is reasonable.

In Germany we’ve had this since March - vaccine certificate, recovery certificate or negative test. Mass events, restaurants, universities, and when the incidence was higher (150/200+) - also hairdressers, shopping centres…

It works fine and has kept the incidence very, very low. It was introduced when not even 10% of the population was fully jabbed and we were at the height of a winter wave, so it has been proven to work in help managing cases.

I’m all for it and it’s working very well here. It’s not compulsory to disclose your vaccine status at my company - but then you’ll have to pay for your own tests. If you let them know you’re not vaccinated they will pay for PCR testing every 48 hours, no questions asked.

I feel much more relieved that everywhere I go these documents are checked and there’s an extra layer of protection that is helping a bit in preventing further case growths.

I’m sure it is a relief to know you can only catch covid from vaccinated people…..