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To think that unvaccinated people whining about rights and freedoms when they can’t go to a concert
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Itsnotover · 19/09/2021 20:30

Are entitled? I am so sick of hearing the vaccine hesitant / covid deniers say that it makes no difference if you’re vaccinated, so they should be allowed to go around doing exactly what they want even though they don’t care about the effects on other people or don’t believe the virus exists.

The government has not said that they will restrict medical treatments or impose financial penalties on people who don’t get vaccinated. I wouldn’t agree with that. That would be taking away rights.

But I personally don’t think that it’s a god given right to attend clubs, theatres and to go on holiday if you refuse to comply with health measures at the height of a pandemic.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 07:17

@Staryflight445

Don’t be ridiculous. Have you read about North Korea or Afghanistan of late?

*@OnlyFoolsnMothers*

Can you imagine the entitlement of not wanting a vaccine and losing the ability to go to a concert, restaurant etc and becoming terrified of the ‘control state’. No, don’t be so silly, or offensive.

Goodness me.

Nutters, nutters everywhere!

Wow that’s a very low bar you are setting!
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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 07:19

People are incredibly naive about vaccine passports- how many faked lateral flow test reports do you think there have been? Do you think a bouncer on a club door with a 100+ long queue is really checking the legitimacy of the “passport” infront of them.

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Marguerite2000 · 20/09/2021 07:20

OnlyFoolsandMothers some care is already rationed along thse lines, as the the NHS is a finite resource. And yes there is a certain amount of anger against 'morbidly obese overeaters', smokers and drinkers. Have you not noticed?

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 07:21

@Marguerite2000

OnlyFoolsandMothers some care is already rationed along thse lines, as the the NHS is a finite resource. And yes there is a certain amount of anger against 'morbidly obese overeaters', smokers and drinkers. Have you not noticed?

Yes but we still treat them just the same, the judgement and condemnation of people is sickening- increasing 10fold since brexit and covid.
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Getawaywithit · 20/09/2021 07:24

I think it is totally reasonable to make front line health workers be vaccinated but not so sure about commercial premises

What about the rights of a business, particularly smaller, independent businesses, to not have a major outbreak, death(s) or something dreadful happen to a child associated with their premises? What about the rights of those who are genuinely unable to vaccinate or who are CEV and may still struggle when they get covid to be able to just be normal and enter a coffee shop like the rest of us?

Ultimately, business owners have a right to refuse entry, service or sale so if they make decisions not to have unvaccinated people on their premises, it really is their call.

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Worldgonecrazy · 20/09/2021 07:24

I have been to five concerts over the last 3 weeks. Two outdoor, three indoor. I have a further 3 indoor concerts booked before Christmas. None of them required vaccinations to attend. So I’m not sure where you are getting your information from?

Rather a pointless post as in England you don’t require vaccinations to attend any concerts.

What a divisive, inflammatory and completely unnecessary post.

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Pixxie7 · 20/09/2021 07:26

It’s up to individual choice and if the vaccine was that effective it wouldn’t be a problem. People have chosen not to be vaccinated for all sorts of reasons, it is now their lives they are putting are risk.
I am sick of both sides criticising each other, just worry about yourself and yours and let others do the same.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 20/09/2021 07:26

Got it all going on in Australia at the moment too - with the various states saying that lockdown won't be lifted until we have statewide 70% of the population double vaccinated.
Plenty of people sick to death of it - we haven't had it ANYTHING like as badly as the UK, and most Aussies won't know or care what happens there because it's not Australia - so plenty of anti-vax and covid deniers here too.

The mask-refusers upset me the most - the people gathering in Bondi and Sydney areas without masks, not keeping the distance, still sharing foods - I know they might have double vax status but it's not a gold-plated security pass against catching or spreading Covid!

I'm still concerned, despite the reassurances that people with clotting conditions are no more likely than the general population to have a clot reaction (not sure they can be certain of that, given that most people who have a clotting disorder only find out when a family member - or themselves! - has a clot for no good reason and then the family gets tested) - but I'm getting my Pfizer vaccine on Thursday. The societal split is already occurring - we will be having "vaccination passports" in some form soon as well - and people without a double vaccine will be barred from some places, including state schools.
DS1 is getting his vax on Thursday too - he's nearly 14 and they're recommending that over-12s get done before schools return, if possible. I've been debating whether Pfizer or Moderna is better for him - it's not an easy situation!

I have a friend who has an autoimmune condition that is fairly well controlled at the moment - she too is worried and has not had her vax yet. Most people I know are not in the "covidiot" camp, but some are - I find it harder to talk to them now.

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Whatwouldscullydo · 20/09/2021 07:28

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Itsnotover · 20/09/2021 07:30

It is about freedom and rights - not just those that you agree with OP.

So, out of interest do you think that getting pulled over for texting someone whilst driving is an infringement on your 'rights and freedoms'?

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RedRiverShore · 20/09/2021 07:30

Is this Scotland or Wales, surely people can just go to concerts and shows in England, I'm in England and always have to travel a good way to concerts

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Itsnotover · 20/09/2021 07:31

@Worldgonecrazy

I have been to five concerts over the last 3 weeks. Two outdoor, three indoor. I have a further 3 indoor concerts booked before Christmas. None of them required vaccinations to attend. So I’m not sure where you are getting your information from?

Rather a pointless post as in England you don’t require vaccinations to attend any concerts.

What a divisive, inflammatory and completely unnecessary post.


The vaccine passports are starting later this month.
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Whatwouldscullydo · 20/09/2021 07:31

If you liken the " right to text" to a legal.right to decide your medical treatment then maybe you are all looking at the wrong " nutters "

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Ponoka7 · 20/09/2021 07:33

@bunnybuggs
"Standing up now to admit I will choose not to have the 'booster' even as an older person. Where will it end. Enough is enough."

What does that mean? Would you refuse any other ongoing medication or treatment, because 'enough is enough' ?
"Where will it end?" Hopefully the virus will become a weakened strain and we won't have the death rate in the over 65's, or those with other medical conditions.
If it's left to mutate, we don't know where it will end, that's the point. It isn't only patient care that is suffering. We were on the brink of advances in treatment for conditions such as MS. The same specialists working on those have been needed for Covid, so a lot of research has been shut down.

Vaccinations are the only way out of our health systems, including research, not running as we would expect.

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Redrivershore · 20/09/2021 07:34

Where are you that they start next month

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FreedomFaith · 20/09/2021 07:34

@VladmirsPoutine

I can understand vaccine hesitancy - although I have happily been vaccinated. But I think the people likening it to Nazi Germany and talking as though this is historically the biggest oppression or whatever have totally lost it.

Same. That's incredibly insulting for those who suffered through that. But then what can we expect considering the generations after think it's fine to take selfies in the concentration camps? Hmm

Don't lose sleep over it op. The idiots have made their choice, if they don't like it, they can always get the vaccine. I think we should start applying the same logic to other vaccines like mmr. We've had outbreaks of measles in the past and it's getting worse as more people become more stupid and think they know better so don't get their child vaccinated. It's not fair to those who can't actually get the vaccine at all.
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Itsnotover · 20/09/2021 07:35

@NoOtherShadeOfBlue

If we didn’t have any vaccines, we would be in lockdowns and none of us would be going to bars and concerts. So people who don’t want the vaccine are relying on enough other people getting it so that lockdowns can end. I can’t quite get my head around people who want to make no contribution to society but benefit from everyone else doing so.


Exactly right. The anti vaxxers never have a solution for how we'd get out of lockdowns without vaccines as can be seen on this thread. But we're not allowed to call them anti vaxxers because it's not fairrrrr and it's 'divisive'
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winkybonky · 20/09/2021 07:35

Absolutely they are so entitled. Anti vaxxers can moan all they like they but they have no right to attend those kind of events and impose their stupidity on everyone else putting others at risk at the same time. Get the vaccine and get on with life or choose not to and be excluded.

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Ponoka7 · 20/09/2021 07:36

@Whatwouldscullydo, you do realise that all newly licensed medicine has a end trial date of years away, don't you? It's quite normal for us to be given medication/treatments that are still under trial and in some cases aren't even licensed for what they are being used for.

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Geamhradh · 20/09/2021 07:38

@Tryingtryingandtrying

Perhaps you could herd them all into an agreed part of town and treat them with the contempt they deserve

Perhaps "they" would get more sympathy if they didn't compare their refusal to have a vaccine to the Holocaust.
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Dentistlakes · 20/09/2021 07:39

People have to have a choice, but they need to accept there will be consequences. Choosing not to be vaccinated is not decision that has no impact on others. They are more likely to become seriously ill and need hospital care which risks overwhelming the NHS and reducing access for others to essential care. People are angry with them because they appear to be ignorant of the consequences their choice is having on other people.

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Whatwouldscullydo · 20/09/2021 07:39

Well yes. But people still are allowed to decide whether or not to have them.

We don't let the nation decide for them.

Prisoners to politicians, everyone has the right to medical treatment and the right to decide what that is.

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Geamhradh · 20/09/2021 07:40

"Rather a pointless post as in England you don’t require vaccinations to attend any concerts."

There are Mumsnetters abroad. You don't have to show a passport on here to be allowed to post.

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User45829057 · 20/09/2021 07:42

If it's Wales or Scotland people can just go into England for a concert so a bit pointless really

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User45829057 · 20/09/2021 07:44

I did check as I have a couple booked but in England it is on plan B

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