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To think that unvaccinated people whining about rights and freedoms when they can’t go to a concert
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Itsnotover · 19/09/2021 20:30

Are entitled? I am so sick of hearing the vaccine hesitant / covid deniers say that it makes no difference if you’re vaccinated, so they should be allowed to go around doing exactly what they want even though they don’t care about the effects on other people or don’t believe the virus exists.

The government has not said that they will restrict medical treatments or impose financial penalties on people who don’t get vaccinated. I wouldn’t agree with that. That would be taking away rights.

But I personally don’t think that it’s a god given right to attend clubs, theatres and to go on holiday if you refuse to comply with health measures at the height of a pandemic.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 06:51

@rwalker

I'm no scientist but compare the death rate when we didn't have the vaccine .

1 person is killed or seriously injured on our roads every 20 minutes in the uk. Yet people accept that risk but won't take the debatable risk with vaccine

Did wearing a seatbelt mess up women’s periods?
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1Endeavour2 · 20/09/2021 06:52

CORRECTION, polio virus hasn't been eliminated. Polio is 6 hours away. If someone does bring it in from overseas most doctors wouldn't recognise the illness. We have to keep vaccinating in until it has been eliminated from the world. It is one of the most cruel illnesses known to mankind.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 06:52

@Staryflight445

Food is essential, I would’ve thought that was obvious? *@OnlyFoolsnMothers*

Exactly so surely more of a risk to have the “unvaccinated” in such places everyone has to go? If people are vulnerable or worried about covid why would they put themselves in mass arenas etc
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Whatwouldscullydo · 20/09/2021 06:55

Food is essential, I would’ve thought that was obvious

Aaaaannnnd we are back to people deciding what's essential and what isn't and what people should and shouldn't be allowed to do.

This pandemic has turned people into the biggest arseholes known to man and I fear this nore than I fear covid or any side effects from a vaccine.

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Staryflight445 · 20/09/2021 06:57

We need food to live, stop being so dramatic.

@Whatwouldscullydo

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PrincessNutella · 20/09/2021 06:58

Where I live in the US, you are required to show your vaccine card to go to restaurants, etc. I definitely agree with this policy. If someone I love has a heart attack and needs a ventilator, I don't want some covidiot hogging the ICU.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 06:59

@Staryflight445

We need food to live, stop being so dramatic.

*@Whatwouldscullydo*

So you allow unvaccinated to eat to live? How gracious.
To me it’s as stupid as the idea abortions should be illegal for women not wanting a baby but fine it a woman is raped - the outcome is the same so either stick by your convictions or perhaps don’t have stupid blanket bans!
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Staryflight445 · 20/09/2021 06:59

@OnlyFoolsnMothers everybody is currently still a risk, the only issue supermarkets pose is that the unvaccinated could catch COVID and end up taking an icu place or hospital bed. That is what we don’t want at the end of the day.

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 07:01

@PrincessNutella

Where I live in the US, you are required to show your vaccine card to go to restaurants, etc. I definitely agree with this policy. If someone I love has a heart attack and needs a ventilator, I don't want some covidiot hogging the ICU.

What about some morbidly obese overeater 50 a day smoker - should they be denied medical treatment too? What about alcoholics, selfharmers, dangerous drivers? We should really have hospitals for those who are pure and perfect
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Whatwouldscullydo · 20/09/2021 07:01

If someone I love has a heart attack and needs a ventilator, I don't want some covidiot hogging the ICU

What if they smoked, or drank, or did a very dangerous sport/ activity ?

Drove without a seat belt or exceeded the speed limit?

Are you equally pissed off witg those people who take up space on a ward or ventilators ? Or is it just limited to covid vaccines?

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 07:01

[quote Staryflight445]@OnlyFoolsnMothers everybody is currently still a risk, the only issue supermarkets pose is that the unvaccinated could catch COVID and end up taking an icu place or hospital bed. That is what we don’t want at the end of the day.[/quote]
Isn’t that the risk at a music venue?
Isn’t that the risk of living?

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Staryflight445 · 20/09/2021 07:05

You’re more likely to catch COVID in a restaurant, at a concert etc than you are in a supermarket let’s be real.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers are you ok? Genuinely, your responses etc are rather bizarre.

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thepeopleversuswork · 20/09/2021 07:08

People bleating on about "civil disobedience" and "control" and "rights" making comparisons with Nazi Germany actually make me sick. It's the height of decadence to compare a public health campaign for a safe vaccine with a totalitarian state.

Your right not to take the vaccine is intact. No one is forcing you to do anything. But society is quite rightly deciding that the rights of much larger groups of people not to be put at risk of being infected with a dangerous virus are more important than your right to posture as a Freedom Fighter. And yes if that means you have to forgo a couple of concerts until you've screwed your head back on, so be it.

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Marguerite2000 · 20/09/2021 07:09

@TartanJumper

Surely those refusing the vaccination is a very small number anyway? I just checked and the UK has almost 90% of over 16s vaccinated with one dose.
90% is a fantastic uptake. I think the (very vocal) refusers are a tiny, tiny minority really.

10% isn't a tiny minority, certainly not when it comes to a virus that transmits so easily. It's a significant number.
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LadyOfLittleLeisure · 20/09/2021 07:09

@Gingerkittykat

All covid passports do is make the conspiracy nuts bleat on about Nazi Germany and likening themselves to Jewish people.

I do think there are genuine civil liberty issues with vaccine passports, especially in places like Ireland where you now need some kind of passport to go to a coffee shop.

I think it is totally reasonable to make front line health workers be vaccinated but not so sure about commercial premises.

I agree @Gingerkittykat
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thepeopleversuswork · 20/09/2021 07:10

What about some morbidly obese overeater 50 a day smoker - should they be denied medical treatment too? What about alcoholics, selfharmers, dangerous drivers? We should really have hospitals for those who are pure and perfect

But a morbidly obese overeater 50 a day smoker is only harming themself. They are not inflicting their idiocy on, potentially, everyone they come into contact with.

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Staryflight445 · 20/09/2021 07:10

@Whatwouldscullydo the article is from last year.

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NoOtherShadeOfBlue · 20/09/2021 07:11

If we didn’t have any vaccines, we would be in lockdowns and none of us would be going to bars and concerts. So people who don’t want the vaccine are relying on enough other people getting it so that lockdowns can end. I can’t quite get my head around people who want to make no contribution to society but benefit from everyone else doing so.

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Staryflight445 · 20/09/2021 07:12

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 07:12

@Staryflight445

You’re more likely to catch COVID in a restaurant, at a concert etc than you are in a supermarket let’s be real.

*@OnlyFoolsnMothers* are you ok? Genuinely, your responses etc are rather bizarre.

I just think vaccine passports are absurd and think it is terrifying what kind of controlled state we are walking into. And no I’m not a covid denier or an antivaxer - but I believe in statistics and facts and freedoms.
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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/09/2021 07:13

@thepeopleversuswork

What about some morbidly obese overeater 50 a day smoker - should they be denied medical treatment too? What about alcoholics, selfharmers, dangerous drivers? We should really have hospitals for those who are pure and perfect

But a morbidly obese overeater 50 a day smoker is only harming themself. They are not inflicting their idiocy on, potentially, everyone they come into contact with.

Still taking medical care away from someone who “deserves” it
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Onesailwait · 20/09/2021 07:14

Where I live (BC, Canada)we have to have vaccine passports for all non essential. Restaurants, bars, gym, movie theater, Cafe, hair salon etc. I am fully vaccinated as are my husband & Eldest child. Whilst I see why it's a good idea it does make me very uncomfortable. It's not the law to be vaccinated & people should still have freedom of choice and not be restricted by those choices.

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Staryflight445 · 20/09/2021 07:15

Don’t be ridiculous. Have you read about North Korea or Afghanistan of late?

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Can you imagine the entitlement of not wanting a vaccine and losing the ability to go to a concert, restaurant etc and becoming terrified of the ‘control state’. No, don’t be so silly, or offensive.

Goodness me.

Nutters, nutters everywhere!

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PooWillyNameChange · 20/09/2021 07:16

YANBU

To live in society sometimes we have to do things we don't want to. Queue, pay taxes, play ball with social and health services. If people don't like it they can move elsewhere, carry on here without enjoying the full range of societal benefits or...y'know, have a vaccine which is statistically incredibly safe and saving lives.

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