Who’s dying if so many vaccinated?

[Flossie44]

So if the vaccination rate is about 80%, who’s in hospital/dying? Is it the 20% unvaccinated?

Oh yes, they're more than 90% effective in preventing you from dying. It's an actual miracle of modern science.

But if you're very vulnerable indeed or 95 years old then while being vaccinated is a hell of a lot better than nothing it's still a considerable risk.

So why does the latest Public Health England technical briefing report 3rd September say different ?

The report says the opposite to the ONS BBC report.

Is it NIMS v ONS denominator issues as per?

PHE are very open about why they're using NIMS in their reports - and its limitations, which is one reason they're clear those figures shouldn't be used to evaluate vaccine effectiveness or efficacy.

@JassyRadlett

So why does the latest Public Health England technical briefing report 3rd September say different ?

The report says the opposite to the ONS BBC report.

Is it NIMS v ONS denominator issues as per?

PHE are very open about why they're using NIMS in their reports - and its limitations, which is one reason they're clear those figures shouldn't be used to evaluate vaccine effectiveness or efficacy.

They are looking at different time periods.

The ONS data appears to refer to deaths between 2 Jan and 1 July, so they are effectively looking a population which for much of that time had a much lower fully vaxxed number - as we are talking about deaths, we are probably looking at people who would have had to be fully vaxxed by early June at very latest, which was about 40% of the population by then. For 2 months of the period they are looking at, pretty much no-one was vaxxed. So the number of fully vaxxed people dying (of anything) would be lower than if you looked at a period later in the year...

...which is what the PHE data, as well as having the denominator issue, does. It is just looking at weeks 32 -35 (early Aug - 5th Sept); by a period in which we had reached 65+% at least vaccine coverage.

So just by taking different time periods with different vaxxed populations, the end results was always going to be very different even before Delta

The PHE report refers to deaths from 1st February 2021 until the 29th August 2021.

ah, I was referring to this

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf

Are you looking at table 5 on this?

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf

That table specifically is only referring to Delta deaths - so it might say its from Feb-Aug, but Delta deaths are only really relevant from mid/late June onwards. So it's looking at a much smaller pool of deaths (around 1,800 vs 55,000) in a period where far more people were vaxxed, but the dominant variant had changed. So it and the the ONS data are still looking at something different in terms of terms of pools of data I think.