Who’s dying if so many vaccinated?

[Flossie44]

So if the vaccination rate is about 80%, who’s in hospital/dying? Is it the 20% unvaccinated?

The vaccine doesn't stop you from dying

Are people dying with covid and not from it?

A year ago we would have been ecstatic to be offered a vaccine that was 50% effective.

Somehow today we don't seem to be able to cope with a vaccine that is 80+% effective because it isn't 100%.

What happened to the basic knowledge of what %effective means?

A mix of the unvaccinated, plus a much smaller proportion of the vaccinated than would otherwise have died. In a nutshell.

@YellowClouds

The vaccine doesn't stop you from dying

Doesn't it? How many vaccinated people have died?

I don't think the stats are well explained. I'd be willing to bet that a large number of those dying with Covid that are also fully vaccinated either had worse Covid than most due to underlying health conditions or didn't actually die from Covid (e.g had a recent Covid positive test but died of a heart attack / cancer / old age etc).

'More vaccinated people are dying of the delta variant of covid than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England. The report shows that 489 of 742 people (65.9%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive covid test between 1 February 2021 and 2 August 2021, had received at least one dose of the vaccine. 54.1% (402 of 742) had received both doses. This seems like an alarming set of statistics, but with an imperfect vaccine and high vaccination coverage, it is exactly what we would expect.'

@workshy44

Are people dying with covid and not from it?

It’s this we’ve had 3 family members with terminal cancer but they’ve had (symptomless ) covid at the end and it’s covid that’s gone on death certificate not the cancer that was the real cause of death

@LegendaryReady more than 1,000 fully vaccinated people in England have died from the Delta variant between 1 February and 29 August, according to Public Health England. During the same period, 536 unvaccinated people from all age groups died of COVID. Which speaks volumes for the efficacy of the vaccine when you take into account the take up rate.

People seem to forget that at any one time there is a small but significant number of people whose health is very very poor - they are very elderly and/or have multiple serious health conditions. Their chances of surviving any sort of infection are not high - even a simple cold or UTI can kill them. Because the vaccine isn't 100% effective, some of those people are still getting covid and because of their very precarious health, it is killing them.

It seems that because the focus has been deliberately on the 'young and healthy' sufferers, as a way of scaring fellow young and healthy people into compliance, there is a weird belief that you can just be vaccinated and be fine, as though there are no other illnesses or situations that could make even a vaccinated person more vulnerable. By definition the more vulnerable people are much more likely to be vaccinated.

A vaccination isn't an immortality drug. You can still get covid and die from it. You can also die from other things while you're infected with covid.

People die every day from all kinds of things. Unfortunately if they have covid as well as cancer/injury, then covid is put on the death certificate.

@LegendaryReady - it would seem about 60% +

The vaccine has never been about stopping people from dying, vaccinated people will still die, unvaccinated people will still die. The vaccine doesn't mean you will suddenly live forever.

[quote JesusInTheCabbageVan]@LegendaryReady more than 1,000 fully vaccinated people in England have died from the Delta variant between 1 February and 29 August, according to Public Health England. During the same period, 536 unvaccinated people from all age groups died of COVID. Which speaks volumes for the efficacy of the vaccine when you take into account the take up rate.[/quote]
It stands to reason that the higher the proportion of vaccinated people there are, the more of those dying will be from the vaccinated group (because there are significantly more of them than they are of unvaccinated people).

@TheDailyCarbunkle plus I think we're getting to that point where the most vulnerable are starting to loose their immunity fingers crossed they can get boosters soon.

*lose, not loose.

Possibly people who had their 2nd vaccine more than 6 months ago seeing as they're saying protection wanes after that.

It's over 6 months since I had my second one. My friend who's CEV is nearly 9 months since her 2nd injection.

@Winederlust yes, that's what I meant!

Nurse friend said this:

The vaccine is like a seatbelt.

You can still die in a crash and you can still injure others in crashes, both those wearing seatbelts and those without. You're more likely to kill those without though.

@Name12341

'More vaccinated people are dying of the delta variant of covid than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England. The report shows that 489 of 742 people (65.9%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive covid test between 1 February 2021 and 2 August 2021, had received at least one dose of the vaccine. 54.1% (402 of 742) had received both doses. This seems like an alarming set of statistics, but with an imperfect vaccine and high vaccination coverage, it is exactly what we would expect.'

But is that not skewed because 80% of people are vaccinated? Therefore of course they will make up a large % of the people dying, as they are a large % of the population?

Some of these stats quoted above are blooming stupid - of course more vaccinated people die - there is more!! And they're the more vulnerable in society. Ffs.

Can people not just die because they're old or unwell any more?

Do those people who think you can't die if you're vaccinated, think that about everything?!? So, hypothetically, you could get to 1000 years old because you've been vaccinated against everything?

Yabu.

Who is still dying?
The unvaccinated.
The vaccinated for whom the vaccine was not effective (immuno-compromised mostly, but some otherwise healthy who it occasionally will not work for).
Those who would die regardless of vaccination, very close to death, weakened or immune suppressed.
Those who are dying of something else and it is the thing that pushes them over the edge (like flu would in normal times).
The unfortunate, some will get it badly whilst being otherwise healthy and vaccinated.

However if you look at the death figures they are hugely down, deaths vs infections have shifted dramatically as a result of vaccination. We all have to die of something, Covid will just end up being one of those things, like flu, pneumonia etc. that kill a lot of people when they are very unwell and are largely interchangeable.

It’s this we’ve had 3 family members with terminal cancer but they’ve had (symptomless ) covid at the end and it’s covid that’s gone on death certificate not the cancer that was the real cause of death

So did they die from cancer or covid? You can be a terminal case of cancer and still have a reasonable amount of time left and die from covid, not cancer. Presumably you are aware of how far the cancer had progressed?

@Winederlust ...though thinking about it, I didn't express myself very well. Paranoid now that my earlier post makes me look both sarcastic AND thick

[quote JesusInTheCabbageVan]@Winederlust yes, that's what I meant![/quote]
I thought it was but wasn't 100% sure!

@Name12341

'More vaccinated people are dying of the delta variant of covid than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England. The report shows that 489 of 742 people (65.9%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive covid test between 1 February 2021 and 2 August 2021, had received at least one dose of the vaccine. 54.1% (402 of 742) had received both doses. This seems like an alarming set of statistics, but with an imperfect vaccine and high vaccination coverage, it is exactly what we would expect.'

But did they die from covid or something else? Just because they died with a case of covid it doesn't mean that's what killed them.