Parental Consent for Vaccine

[naughty40me]

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-12-to-15-year-olds-to-get-final-say-over-covid-jab-if-disagreement-with-parent-occurs-12401914

Not sure if link worked, never done it before.

Sajid Javid saying that parental consent for the vaccine won't be needed if the child decides to take it.

I am livid at this!

I have a 2DC 12 and 14. I really do not want them to have the vaccine.

I am going to have to sit and have a proper discussion with them.
Up to now, when it has been mentioned all my kids say is "but if we don't have the vaccine we won't be able to go to the cinema"...

I'm not anti vax. I've been double jabbed myself being over 40 with long term conditions and in the vulnerable category.

However, as the JCVI says, the benefit to healthy children in this age range is marginal.
I am worried about side effects, both short and long term.

I think vaccines should be a choice.
Those who want their children vaccinated should have that choice.
But those of us who don't should also have a choice.

I don't think my dc are capable of making a fully informed decision. They are children fgs.
They are having their heads filled with crap, making them watch Newsround every day in school for example.

I feel so strongly about this.
I honestly think they will end up making it a condition of school entry.

It's so wrong.

I know not many on here will agree but I for one am not happy about this at all.

If your kids are intelligent and sensible as you say they are then they will choose to do the intelligent and sensible thing and have it.

You are attempting to sway them from the intelligent and sensible path.

Not all children are sensible or intelligent!

I never really understood the “ catholic “ reasons for this particular vaccine. I didn’t ask. I assume as it is a cancer that involves the act of sex maybe??
But whatever the reason even if I didn’t personally agree, I respected their decision as did the school.

I hate to suggest it but all of these ‘other’ vaccination examples of parental consent were before covid. Now the world has lost its collective mind, there is no precedent to rely on. I absolutely hope there is and don’t wish to come across as paranoid but it wouldn’t be the first questionable change to standard protocol.

@sashagabadon

I remember lots of parents opted out of the HPV vaccine (iirc) for their daughters in my kids primary school for “religious reasons” ( catholic school). No girls would have been or were vaccinated against their parents wishes. It would have caused absolute uproar and massive ill feeling. The parents I know would have hit the roof. I consented readily and didn’t really understand the parents issue with this vaccine but utterly and completely respected their right to decide for their own daughters.

They're right to refuse to let their daughter have a vaccine because of their outdated attitudes to sex, even if the daughter wanted it?

I’m not saying I agree! I don’t and didn’t and that’s just my assumption anyway.
But I still think parental consent is paramount and even silly parents don’t trump that.

And they were otherwise excellent parents

They're right to refuse to let their daughter have a vaccine because of their outdated attitudes to sex, even if the daughter wanted it?

The child once they have reached the age of 16-18 and can make an informed decision and is free to have the HPV or any other vaccine they wish.
It is not at 13/14 years old or never.

@sashagabadon

I’m not saying I agree! I don’t and didn’t and that’s just my assumption anyway. But I still think parental consent is paramount and even silly parents don’t trump that.

You don't agree but you think if a teenager wants a HPV vaccine and the parents do t want to let them have it, even if it's for ridiculous reasons, they shouldn't be allowed to have it?

Until what age?

Eh? My dd had her HPV at the right age. What other parents decide is for them to decide.

If we are going to say parental consent no longer matters now from the age of 12 then there is nothing stopping children from being coerced or indeed signing up willingly for botox, puberty blockers, contraception, anti depressants, fat injections, gastric bands, reassignment surgery, and any number of possibilities on the legal basis that they are fully competent to make that decision.

If we are going to say parental consent no longer matters now from the age of 12

But no one is saying that, and it must be very rare case if that happens. Why are you so afraid?

@zenthoughtsonlythanks

If we are going to say parental consent no longer matters now from the age of 12 then there is nothing stopping children from being coerced or indeed signing up willingly for botox, puberty blockers, contraception, anti depressants, fat injections, gastric bands, reassignment surgery, and any number of possibilities on the legal basis that they are fully competent to make that decision.

A HPV or covid vaccine wouldn't have the life changing side effects of those procedures. Although I don't see why a twelve year old can't go on anti-depressants if necessary.

And what about blood transfusions? Or abortions? Parents might be against their children having them, should their wishes be paramount in those cases?

"19:14zenthoughtsonlythanks

If we are going to say parental consent no longer matters now from the age of 12 then there is nothing stopping children from being coerced or indeed signing up willingly for botox, puberty blockers, contraception, anti depressants, fat injections, gastric bands, reassignment surgery, and any number of possibilities on the legal basis that they are fully competent to make that decision"

Good points made there. Parental consent exists for a reason.

@zenthoughtsonlythanks

If we are going to say parental consent no longer matters now from the age of 12 then there is nothing stopping children from being coerced or indeed signing up willingly for botox, puberty blockers, contraception, anti depressants, fat injections, gastric bands, reassignment surgery, and any number of possibilities on the legal basis that they are fully competent to make that decision.

Yep. There have been several interesting studies on teenage brain development in recent years.

Just one worth a read for now -

“Adolescents, even those at the age of majority, have a relatively underdeveloped prefrontal cortex, particularly in those regions concerned with functions essential to good decision-making. The result is a situation in which the prefrontal cortex is often not fully engaged, allowing the more fully matured, but more reactive, socioemotional system of the brain to dominate, particularly under conditions of high stress or emotion, peer presence or pressure, and perceived short-term benefit. The ability to think about the future, plan ahead, and anticipate future consequences increases gradually throughout adolescence but does not peak until well into the 20s.“

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/Supplement_1/S18

Well it doesn’t really matter if you are unhappy. It will be their choice to protect themselves.

"27Zippy1510

Well it doesn’t really matter if you are unhappy. It will be their choice to protect themselves"

They don't need protection. It's a very mild illness in children.

@Deletesystem33

And what about blood transfusions? Or abortions? Parents might be against their children having them, should their wishes be paramount in those cases?

There will definitely be court cases setting precedents already for both of these. I’ve no doubt such scenarios have occurred many times. Benefit of an abortion for a say 14 year old compared to the risk of pregnancy, giving birth and raising a child for 18 years is obvious. Not really comparable situation to a Covid vaccine though?

The Gillick case was in 1983 this is nearly 40 years old now. It isnt a new thing

Axon in 2006 said that it could be used for abortion

Bell last year said it wasnt though for puberty blockers

@zenthoughtsonlythanks

If we are going to say parental consent no longer matters now from the age of 12 then there is nothing stopping children from being coerced or indeed signing up willingly for botox, puberty blockers, contraception, anti depressants, fat injections, gastric bands, reassignment surgery, and any number of possibilities on the legal basis that they are fully competent to make that decision.

Puberty blockers is a definite no. Most of the others arent medical treatments allowed for under 18s so it wouldnt come into play

19:30sashagabadon I agree. Not comparable at all.

@Peteycat

"27Zippy1510

Well it doesn’t really matter if you are unhappy. It will be their choice to protect themselves"

They don't need protection. It's a very mild illness in children.

It isn't your choice to make this decision for every single child in England though.

If recommended by the CMO et al then it will be an individual choice as to whether children in this age group have it. Just because you don't think it's the right decision for your child doesn't mean all others should be denied the offer...

@bumbleymummy

So in the case of parents wanting their children vaccinated, but children don't want to, do you think they should be forced to be vaccinated? Why can't you see it works both way?

@RedMarauder
Remember your child is not your possession nor the states. They are their own person.

Yes the very person I'm by nature responsible for the safety of. If they're not of age to drink legally, drive a vehicle or vote against the evil morons who think this is a great idea they're also not deciding at aged 12 which vaccines they may or may not receive. That's my job and challenge anybody deluded enough to think otherwise.