Parental Consent for Vaccine

[naughty40me]

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-12-to-15-year-olds-to-get-final-say-over-covid-jab-if-disagreement-with-parent-occurs-12401914

Not sure if link worked, never done it before.

Sajid Javid saying that parental consent for the vaccine won't be needed if the child decides to take it.

I am livid at this!

I have a 2DC 12 and 14. I really do not want them to have the vaccine.

I am going to have to sit and have a proper discussion with them.
Up to now, when it has been mentioned all my kids say is "but if we don't have the vaccine we won't be able to go to the cinema"...

I'm not anti vax. I've been double jabbed myself being over 40 with long term conditions and in the vulnerable category.

However, as the JCVI says, the benefit to healthy children in this age range is marginal.
I am worried about side effects, both short and long term.

I think vaccines should be a choice.
Those who want their children vaccinated should have that choice.
But those of us who don't should also have a choice.

I don't think my dc are capable of making a fully informed decision. They are children fgs.
They are having their heads filled with crap, making them watch Newsround every day in school for example.

I feel so strongly about this.
I honestly think they will end up making it a condition of school entry.

It's so wrong.

I know not many on here will agree but I for one am not happy about this at all.

[quote illuyankas]@bumbleymummy

So in the case of parents wanting their children vaccinated, but children don't want to, do you think they should be forced to be vaccinated? Why can't you see it works both way?[/quote]
I don’t think anyone is arguing this are they?
Not even the most pro vaccine parents would force a reluctant child to have a vaccine.
I use to take my children for an ice cream after school on mass vaccination days when younger ( which they knew in advance) so bribery I guess but I didn’t think of it that way at the time.
My kids are older now and bigger than me so have more say and can’t be forced to do anything anymore ( mores the pity )

There will definitely be court cases setting precedents already for both of these. I’ve no doubt such scenarios have occurred many times.
Benefit of an abortion for a say 14 year old compared to the risk of pregnancy, giving birth and raising a child for 18 years is obvious.
Not really comparable situation to a Covid vaccine though?

What about HPV? Flu? You're also saying that 14yos should not be allowed to be vaccinated against these without parental consent, but they can be deadly. What is the age when they should be allowed to make decisions about their own health?

I don’t think anyone is arguing this are they?
Not even the most pro vaccine parents would force a reluctant child to have a vaccine.
I use to take my children for an ice cream after school on mass vaccination days when younger ( which they knew in advance) so bribery I guess but I didn’t think of it that way at the time.
My kids are older now and bigger than me so have more say and can’t be forced to do anything anymore ( mores the pity grin)

You're saying that when teenagers want a vaccine and the teenager doesn't, they shouldn't be able to get it because the teenager isn't old enough to make that decision yet. So why doesn't it apply the other way around?

@Deletesystem33

*There will definitely be court cases setting precedents already for both of these. I’ve no doubt such scenarios have occurred many times. Benefit of an abortion for a say 14 year old compared to the risk of pregnancy, giving birth and raising a child for 18 years is obvious.* Not really comparable situation to a Covid vaccine though?

What about HPV? Flu? You're also saying that 14yos should not be allowed to be vaccinated against these without parental consent, but they can be deadly. What is the age when they should be allowed to make decisions about their own health?

16 is the legal age isn’t it. It’s not me saying this by the way. It’s the law. 16 year olds were able get the vaccine without parental consent ( already) Under 16’s (12-15) need parental consent ( as far as we know, it’s not been made 100% clear yet) I support parental consent for under 16’s for pretty much everything including a Covid vaccine.
Exceptions would be things like abortions / life and death emergencies / situations as already mentioned either because the parents won’t consent or are not available to consent in emergencies.

So in the case of parents wanting their children vaccinated, but children don't want to, do you think they should be forced to be vaccinated? Why can't you see it works both way?

Not the person you asked but I don't think it does work both ways, no?

For want of a better term, surely it has to do with 'altering' (or any word that better describes that).

You can get your belly pierced age 13 with parental consent. No parental consent, you cannot. Similarly 'parental consent' isn't enough to drag your 13 yo down to a body piercer and get it done.

You can join the army at 16 with parental consent. No parental consent, you cannot. Similarly parental consent isn't enough to drag your 16 yo down to the recruitment centre and enlist them.

[quote DoubleShotEspresso]@RedMarauder
Remember your child is not your possession nor the states. They are their own person.

Yes the very person I'm by nature responsible for the safety of. If they're not of age to drink legally, drive a vehicle or vote against the evil morons who think this is a great idea they're also not deciding at aged 12 which vaccines they may or may not receive. That's my job and challenge anybody deluded enough to think otherwise.[/quote]
Situations on vaccinations and birth control have already been tested in the Courts so you are calling judges - who interpret the law - deluded if they rule against one or both parents wishes.

@sashagabadon abortions are not emergencies in most cases.

16 is the legal age isn’t it. It’s not me saying this by the way. It’s the law.
16 year olds were able get the vaccine without parental consent ( already)
Under 16’s (12-15) need parental consent ( as far as we know, it’s not been made 100% clear yet)
I support parental consent for under 16’s for pretty much everything including a Covid vaccine.
Exceptions would be things like abortions / life and death emergencies / situations as already mentioned either because the parents won’t consent or are not available to consent in emergencies.

Teenagers don't need parental consent for the HPV vaccine, at least here in Scotland. I also got a prescription for the pill when I was 15. And when I was put on anti-depressants I don't think I needed consent either. I believe blood transfusions sometimes happen with non-emergency procedures too.

Interesting to see the posts about what would happen if the parents wee very pro-vaccine and their teen child was reluctant/did not want it.

When I had the rubella vaccine, it very much felt like it was not a choice. All the girls in my year had to sit and watch a video about how your babies would be born deaf and/or blind if you did not get the jab. On the day, a small group of us were in the nurses office having them done. They would not let us leave until we had all had it.. and it was me that was last. I cried and tried to leave. There was immense pressure from my peers and the nurse.
Later on, our whole year had another jab. Again, I was the last. I kept going to the back of the lines going into the building. Had the jab, then ran round the school yelling I was going to die. Totally lost my mind. Both times laid the foundation for a phobia that I am not over (and I am in my 40s).

@severelysound

So in the case of parents wanting their children vaccinated, but children don't want to, do you think they should be forced to be vaccinated? Why can't you see it works both way?

Not the person you asked but I don't think it does work both ways, no?

For want of a better term, surely it has to do with 'altering' (or any word that better describes that).

You can get your belly pierced age 13 with parental consent. No parental consent, you cannot. Similarly 'parental consent' isn't enough to drag your 13 yo down to a body piercer and get it done.

You can join the army at 16 with parental consent. No parental consent, you cannot. Similarly parental consent isn't enough to drag your 16 yo down to the recruitment centre and enlist them.

A belly button piercing doesn't have any medical benefits. Also I'm pretty sure under 16s can legally get a piercing without parental consent, although many piercing places might refuse. And parents can get their babies ears pierced.

@Deletesystem33

*16 is the legal age isn’t it. It’s not me saying this by the way. It’s the law. 16 year olds were able get the vaccine without parental consent ( already) Under 16’s (12-15) need parental consent ( as far as we know, it’s not been made 100% clear yet) I support parental consent for under 16’s for pretty much everything including a Covid vaccine. Exceptions would be things like abortions / life and death emergencies / situations as already mentioned either because the parents won’t consent or are not available to consent in emergencies.*

Teenagers don't need parental consent for the HPV vaccine, at least here in Scotland. I also got a prescription for the pill when I was 15. And when I was put on anti-depressants I don't think I needed consent either. I believe blood transfusions sometimes happen with non-emergency procedures too.

My son had HPV in September last year and yes I signed a consent form.

All vaccinations require a consent form.

@XenoBitch I am so sorry for what happened to you. That is purely wrong.
But I really don't think it happens now. Especially because of the very topic we are talking about on this thread. So I think it's better that children are informed of their rights.

[quote illuyankas]@XenoBitch I am so sorry for what happened to you. That is purely wrong.
But I really don't think it happens now. Especially because of the very topic we are talking about on this thread. So I think it's better that children are informed of their rights.[/quote]
Yep, I would hope nowadays that if a teen says no when faced with a needle in school, it would be taken seriously.

My son had HPV in September last year and yes I signed a consent form.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/how-is-hpv-vaccine-cervarix-gardasil-given/
"Although a parent is asked to sign the consent form, it's legally the decision of the person having the vaccine whether they want it or not, as long as they understand what's involved in having it."

@sashagabadon

Should I not have been given the pill or antidepressants if my parents had said no?

@Deletesystem33

My son had HPV in September last year and yes I signed a consent form.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/how-is-hpv-vaccine-cervarix-gardasil-given/
"Although a parent is asked to sign the consent form, it's legally the decision of the person having the vaccine whether they want it or not, as long as they understand what's involved in having it."

I honestly don’t know why you are so insistent on arguing this point with me. Under 16 year old are children and are the responsibility of their parents and no other adult should be able to give them anything or do anything with them without the parents consent. It’s basic safeguarding and really not that controversial imo. If any adult gave my under 16 year old children a medical treatment or procedure or medicine or a piercing or a tattoo or similar without me knowing about it and agreeing I would be incandescent with fury. As would most other parents I know. And luckily most other adults (sensible ones) understand and respect this too. It’s the society we live in, parents are respected and asked to sign a million consent forms which is a pain but part of being a parent. I have over 16 years children too and I don’t need to sign consent forms for them anymore. They mostly make their own decisions but might ask me for advice.

I honestly don’t know why you are so insistent on arguing this point with me. Under 16 year old are children and are the responsibility of their parents and no other adult should be able to give them anything or do anything with them without the parents consent. It’s basic safeguarding and really not that controversial imo.

The law disagrees with you. Under 16s can get vaccines, or the pill, or anti depressants, or blood transfusions without parental consent.

@sashagabadon maybe you should read the Fraser Guidelines there is an awful lot in the area of sexual health that can be done with an under 16 consent and doesnt necessarily need to be a doctor. Prescribe contraception, undertake abortions deal with STDs all without parental consent or knowledge

Tattoo are different you have to be 18 - not amount of parental consent will get you one under the age of 18.

As for piercings there is actually no legal age for that - there are industry guidelines and potentially licensing ones but nothing else

You may not like it - and for the most part it wont be done without parental consent but it can be. If there is a need for it.

Sexual Health prescriptions, tattoos and piercings are not administered in schools. They are done elsewhere. The schools will not give vaccines without parental consent due to the fact they will not want to be liable or responsible for any problems.

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We don't know the covid vaccine isn't life changing, as there is no data yet. It can cause fatal side effects, that is known and fully acknowledged (myocarditis)
So I would say it could be a life changing decision for some children, and possibly more children in the long term. We need to proceed with caution and the very fact the JCVI have not recommended it for children is further evidence that we do not know the long term impact of the vaccine on children. So ideally we would wait for more information.

Parental consent is essential.

More studies are needed regarding this jab in children. All of you insisting the children should have it, will you take responsibility if it all goes to shit?

Schools have and will give vaccines without parental consent as long as the child is deemed competent.

@Peteycat

More studies are needed regarding this jab in children. All of you insisting the children should have it, will you take responsibility if it all goes to shit?

Why do you think the majority of Western countries have now offered the vaccine to those aged 12-15, and why do you think England will (probably) follow suit, if indeed "more studies are needed" and it's not safe as you insist?

What do you know that the hundreds of experts involved in this decision don't?

As always - it's everyone's personal decision as to what they think is correct, but it's unfair to think this view should be enforced to the entire population and all children should be denied the option just because you don't want it for your child.

I'm a nurse who has been working in the covid centres and I've just completed the training to do the school based imms. They are fully expecting and planning to be offering covid jabs for 12-15 cohort. So to address a few things that have been mentioned -

The consent forms will need to be returned a week before. This is because the jabs will need to be ordered the week before. They way Pfizer is licenced at the moment means once it is delivered to the school, it can no longer make another journey and will need to be used or thrown. Therefore the precise number of vials will be ordered. Nurses are not allowed to approach children with no consent and offer it to them. If a child has not had consent and seeks the nurses out, then they will be fully assessed using gillick competency. However, the team is not expecting this to happen often in reality and it will likely be the case there won't be any spare vaccines anyway, due to the ordering issues.

If a child has had consent but is standing in front of me crying and refusing to have it - I would not give it and I don't think any nurse would.

Hope this is helpful