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Data, Stats and Daily Numbers started 30th August 2021

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boys3 · 30/08/2021 16:05

This is the DATA thread. We welcome factual, data driven and analytical contributions

Please try to keep discussion focused on these.

UK govt press conferences slides & data www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences#history
PHE Variants of Concern Technical Briefings www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201
PHE Vaccine efficacy www.gov.uk/government/publications/phe-monitoring-of-the-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccination
SAGE : Minutes and Models www.gov.uk/government/collections/scientific-evidence-supporting-the-government-response-to-coronavirus-covid-19
Data Dashboard coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ includes R estimates
PHE Weekly Flu & Covid Surveiilance Reports 2021-22 Season www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports-2021-to-2022-season
Dashboard Vaccine Map to MSOA level coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinations
Covid 19 Genomics www.cogconsortium.uk/tools-analysis/public-data-analysis-2/
Sanger Genome Maps & Data covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw
UCL Virus Watch ucl-virus-watch.net/
NHS Vaccination data www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/
Sewage www.gov.uk/government/publications/wastewater-testing-coverage-data-for-19-may-2021-emhp-programme/wastewater-testing-coverage-data-for-the-environmental-monitoring-for-health-protection-emhp-programme.
Sewage reports www.gov.uk/government/publications/monitoring-of-sars-cov-2-rna-in-england-wastewater-monthly-statistics-june-2021
Global vaccination data ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
R estimates UK & English regions www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk
Imperial UK weekly LAs, cases / 100k, table, map, hotspots statistics imperialcollegelondon.github.io/covid19local/#map
NHS England Hospital activity www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
NHS England Daily deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Cases Tracker England Local Government lginform.local.gov.uk/reports/view/lga-research/covid-19-case-tracker
ONS MSOA Map English deaths www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Scot gov Daily data www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
Scotland TravellingTabby LAs, care homes, hospitals, tests, t&t www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
PH Wales LAs, cases, tests, deaths Dashboard public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary
ICNRC Intensive Care National Audit & Research reports www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
NHS t&t England & UK testing Weekly stats www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
PHE Surveillance reports & LA Local Watchlist Maps by LSOA (from last summer) www.gov.uk/government/collections/nhs-test-and-trace-statistics-england-weekly-reports
ONS England infection surveillance report each Friday www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/previousReleases
Datasets for ONS surveillance reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/datasets/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveydata/2020
ONS Roundup deaths, infections & economic reports www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
Zoe UK data covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
ECDC (European Centre for Disease Control rolling 14-day incidence EEA & UK www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Worldometer UK page www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Our World in Data GB test positivity etc, DIY country graphs ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-kingdom?country=~GBR
FT DIY graphs compare deaths, cases, raw / million pop ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=eur&areas=usa&areas=bra&areas=gbr&areas=cze&areas=hun&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths

PHE local health data fingertips.phe.org.uk/profile/health-profiles
Alama Personal COVID risk assessment alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/
Local Mobility Reports for countries www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
UK Highstreet Tracker for cities & large towns Footfall, spend index, workers, visitors, economic recovery www.centreforcities.org/data/high-streets-recovery-tracker/

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containsnuts · 26/09/2021 14:52

@toots111

Interestingly The Guardian website seems to no longer have their Covid stats on the front page. Is this a shift away from the focus being on # of cases?
It's probably because there's only so many ways the media can report the numbers and keep it engaging eg. "cases plummeted yesturday, skyrocketed today, up on Monday, down on Tuesday" etc etc. It's difficult to read every day for 20 months. I hope they alert us if anything changes and we need to moderate our behaviour otherwise we can get the stats directly from public health if needed.
containsnuts · 26/09/2021 14:54

@Quartz2208

I just google UK Covid Cases and its all on coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Its not hard to find the source that the media gets it from. When that stops daily cases you might have a point.

I suspect it just wasnt getting the clicks anymore. Cases have remained in the 25-35 average range for 2 months now. I think unless something dramatic happens one way or another there is little appetite to find out

@quartz2208 we must'v had the same thought at the same time 😂
Cedilla · 26/09/2021 15:00

I'm not looking for a conspiracy, I was just wondering whether the Guardian had dropped the graphic that gives the daily totals, and a plus or minus figure to compare with a week ago. It was a quick and handy source of information at one glance.

I think I've found it now, but it's buried in another part of the site, in the separate Coronavirus topic. So perhaps they have decided not to put it on the front page of the website any more.

BigWoollyJumpers · 26/09/2021 15:28

Personally I wish they would stop doing the count on the BBC every night. Nothing is really changing, cases are pretty flat, deaths same, and the vaccinations are going up by 0.1% a day, hardly headlines.

Piggywaspushed · 26/09/2021 17:17

It's not treated as headlines though? It's just said very objectively about 20 minutes in. I think that's fine.

lonelyplanet · 26/09/2021 17:17

More graphs from Colin Davis on rates in children. Currently 1262/ 100k with what looks like a 6 day doubling.

mobile.twitter.com/ProfColinDavis/status/1442154199668514816

Kettering 4643/100k. Rugby 4180 which is about 1 in 24 children.

mobile.twitter.com/ProfColinDavis/status/1442156052070363138

sirfredfredgeorge · 26/09/2021 17:20

Kettering 4643/100k. Rugby 4180 which is about 1 in 24 children

This doesn't seem very high, ONS has had 1 in 50 people, with children more likely to catch it, and cases likely to be clumped, 1 in 24 doesn't seem that many at all for some areas, it's quite a bit lower than I would imagine for peak areas?

borntobequiet · 26/09/2021 17:36

This doesn't seem very high, ONS has had 1 in 50 people, with children more likely to catch it, and cases likely to be clumped, 1 in 24 doesn't seem that many at all for some areas, it's quite a bit lower than I would imagine for peak areas?

Are you serious? Please say no.

boys3 · 26/09/2021 17:38

oddly though no mention of the 10-14 rates in many London Boroughs. Or Bolton for that matter.

These don't quite fit with the desired narrative presumably.

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MarshaBradyo · 26/09/2021 17:42

@boys3

oddly though no mention of the 10-14 rates in many London Boroughs. Or Bolton for that matter.

These don't quite fit with the desired narrative presumably.

Do you mean the Twitter and because they are lower?
boys3 · 26/09/2021 17:49

@MarshaBradyo yes. The 10-14s still probably are the highest rate for any age band in a given borough but their overall levels - not looked at every single borough - are way below the overall England figure. Which is probably not that surprising.

Kettering is at the much more extreme level. Which is not the underplay the numbers there, but rather highlight that context is, for many of the twitterati, a rather alien concept. :)

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boys3 · 26/09/2021 17:50

just to be clear the overall England figure for the 10-14s.

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boys3 · 26/09/2021 17:56

as we are getting close to the final few posts new thread ready to go once this one is complete.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4359532-Data-Stats-and-Daily-Numbers-started-26th-September-2021

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cantkeepawayforever · 26/09/2021 18:34

@sirfredfredgeorge

Kettering 4643/100k. Rugby 4180 which is about 1 in 24 children

This doesn't seem very high, ONS has had 1 in 50 people, with children more likely to catch it, and cases likely to be clumped, 1 in 24 doesn't seem that many at all for some areas, it's quite a bit lower than I would imagine for peak areas?

i think the point is that this is 1 in 24 ACTUALLY TESTED AND FOUND POSITIVE.

As the ONS figure is often far higher than the number of actual positive tests, then this means that the REAL number of cases is also much higher than 1 in 24 in Kettering.

JanglyBeads · 26/09/2021 19:02

Well I’m still awaiting my DS’s test results. Test centre (in Kettering as it happened!) wasn’t busy yesterday evening though.

sirfredfredgeorge · 26/09/2021 19:07

As the ONS figure is often far higher than the number of actual positive tests, then this means that the REAL number of cases is also much higher than 1 in 24 in Kettering

when I said before that maybe 20% cases were found from the ONS, I was disagreed. So - what is the proportion of cases found?

I really do not think 1 in 24 found is high - people are obsessed with testing, PCR's for all close contacts now, but no other measures, loads of cases are going to be found as there's nothing effective being done to prevent spread (mask mandates when moving about in schools and advice is all, but masks off when in the class rooms ) so I would expect lots of spread without mitigations.

No mitigations, 30 kids in a class, R of around 6, three days between cses, within a 14 day period, that's half the students infected - mixing outside of classes, or in secondary schools where you see even more kids, then it would be higher. So then we ask what proportion of classes, I think it would be pretty high, there's no mitigations after all, so that would mean the majority of classes would then have it, but even if it was only 25% of classes, that's still at an average prevalence of 4/30's so we'd need to catch around 25% of cases. Which is what I reckon we do catch.

However as I say, that surprises me, 'cos I can't believe it's only in 25% of classes without any mitigations. So either it's not as infectious in kids (unbelievable according to many) or there's so much more immunity (ie even more infected in the past) or we're detecting fewer cases than thought, and therefore the rate should be even higher.

toots111 · 26/09/2021 19:45

@Cedilla

I'm not looking for a conspiracy, I was just wondering whether the Guardian had dropped the graphic that gives the daily totals, and a plus or minus figure to compare with a week ago. It was a quick and handy source of information at one glance.

I think I've found it now, but it's buried in another part of the site, in the separate Coronavirus topic. So perhaps they have decided not to put it on the front page of the website any more.

It’s back on the homepage today. So I spoke too soon.
lonelyplanet · 26/09/2021 19:55

So either it's not as infectious in kids (unbelievable according to many) or there's so much more immunity (ie even more infected in the past) or we're detecting fewer cases than thought, and therefore the rate should be even higher.

Or many of them have tested positive before and are therefore not counted in the figures.

Piggywaspushed · 26/09/2021 19:58

I keep wondering this when they report with disappointment the vaccination figures for 16 and 17 year olds. Many , like my DS, can't actually get the jab yet because they have just actually had Covid. Geoff Barton, head of ASCL , hadn't factored this in to his thinking even. I also know plenty of 17 year olds who are delaying it for a few months, so that they can get two jabs rather than the one .

sirfredfredgeorge · 26/09/2021 20:22

Or many of them have tested positive before and are therefore not counted in the figures

That of course could be true, but then that still leads to surprise that it's not more than 1 in 24 now - as it means it was much higher than we ever thought before.

cantkeepawayforever · 26/09/2021 20:22

It's hard to compare ONS and daily data - I am sure @boys3 would be able to, but i am just an interested observer - because ONS tends to report in the form 'x% positive' or '1 in 24' whereas the daily data is in 'numbers of cases per day

I seem to remember, at the point when both figures were being compared, that there was something like a 1:3 or 1:5 difference - that about 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 of the cases estimated by the ONS as the general prevalence was actually found by people getting themselves tested due to symptoms or via routine LFTs etc.

So if people getting themselves tested = 1 in 24, and this ratio is still fairly valid, then the true prevalence in Kettering is closer to 1 in 8 to 1 in 5 at this particular moment. That doesn't strike me as particularly 'low', especially as another 1 in 8 could then be infected tomorrow, but at least it is at such a high level that it cannot possibly be sustained.

sirfredfredgeorge · 26/09/2021 21:07

especially as another 1 in 8 could then be infected tomorrow

It's the 7 day rate they're using for the 1 in 24 isn't it, not the 1 day rate?

cantkeepawayforever · 26/09/2021 21:40

Apologies - replace 'tomorrow' with 'next week' - and given the effective R, would be more than that, because that would assume an R of 1.

I still don't think it represents a 'surprisingly low' number, as you were suggesting?

isthismineshine · 28/09/2021 16:19

Can anyone recall what cases were last Tuesday?

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