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Will this level of cases now just be acceptable?

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Tuba437 · 16/08/2021 19:26

Just having a think to myself. We're now at around 30k cases a day in general. The 7 day average daily deaths is about 89 (this was for around 45-50k cases a day). We can assume that I a month or so deaths will be at around 60 a day.

Over a year that works out at about 21k worth of deaths. Will this just be the acceptable number. We know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread so I highly doubt were ever just going to get down to sub 5k cases a day again.

21k is considered a very mild flu death rate for the year. We have a new virus around now so more deaths a year are going to be a thing whether we like it or not.

I also think red list countries should only be for countries with worrying variants. If I don't have to isolate if my wife tests positive (just daily testing) then why on earth would I have to spend 1500 on a government hotel to quarantine as I've been to a country with a lower covid rate than us?

Sorry about the rant.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 17/08/2021 19:57

lannistunut

Thank you: it’s emotive.

lannistunut · 17/08/2021 20:02

@MrsSkylerWhite

lannistunut

Thank you: it’s emotive.

Yes I find it emotional too which is why I got snippy - but I jumped to the wrong conclusion about your meaning Blush
Peteycat · 17/08/2021 20:04

Nanny And John, you are on sooo many threads about Covid, ranting and spouting doom. People get sick of it. This is a chat about going forward if possible.

All your posts on other threads just start tiresome arguments. Everyone is tired. Everyone is struggling. Be kind. Please. We know what to look for should we wish to, we all accept any death is sad.

You just make people feel worse with your attitude.

newnortherner111 · 17/08/2021 20:11

Not acceptable, which is why I think some restrictions on indoor large gatherings and the wearing of face coverings on public transport should have continued. I also do not agree with 100% return to offices where people have worked from home.

MarshaBradyo · 17/08/2021 20:13

@newnortherner111

Not acceptable, which is why I think some restrictions on indoor large gatherings and the wearing of face coverings on public transport should have continued. I also do not agree with 100% return to offices where people have worked from home.
We do still have masks on public transport in London

I’m not sure there will be full return, not yet and maybe not even in Sept when many are returning. Will have to wait for figures though

IcedPurple · 17/08/2021 20:15

@newnortherner111

Not acceptable, which is why I think some restrictions on indoor large gatherings and the wearing of face coverings on public transport should have continued. I also do not agree with 100% return to offices where people have worked from home.
What is the 'acceptable' figure that you think would happen if these restrictions were to be retained?
Peteycat · 17/08/2021 20:22

So what do you suggest then? People work from home forever? Maybe they don't want to. This policing of everything and everyone is getting alarming.

herecomesthsun · 17/08/2021 21:42

Working from home is still a good idea if people can. That should be okay.

Some people can't. There's no one - fits - all - solution.

No one is going to have a simple answer to this situation.

It is still worth doing what we can do.

MaxNormal · 17/08/2021 21:56

which is why I think some restrictions on indoor large gatherings and the wearing of face coverings on public transport should have continued

But that still completely wrecks those particular sectors and I honestly think we're passed that being okay - financial help has stopped now so businesses do need to be able to operate again.

herecomesthsun · 17/08/2021 22:18

The wearing of face coverings on public transport does not wreck anything.

MaxNormal · 17/08/2021 22:32

I only included that part of the quote as the sentence included both. I was referring to large indoor events.

GoldenOmber · 17/08/2021 23:17

@herecomesthsun

The wearing of face coverings on public transport does not wreck anything.
It wouldn’t keep cases down either, though.

In my part of the UK we had the peak of our delta wave with legally required masks in public transport/shops/indoor public spaces, restrictions on large gatherings, 10-day isolation for close contacts, social distancing for hospitality and shops, nightclubs closed. Still had a peak of cases higher than the one in Jan.

lannistunut · 18/08/2021 06:33

@GoldenOmber you have no evidence that cases would not have been even higher without masks, and the scientific evidence points firmly to them having a positive impact, particularly in indoor settings e.g. transport, school.

GoldenOmber · 18/08/2021 07:21

[quote lannistunut]@GoldenOmber you have no evidence that cases would not have been even higher without masks, and the scientific evidence points firmly to them having a positive impact, particularly in indoor settings e.g. transport, school.[/quote]
I’m sure they do have some impact, and possibly cases would have been higher without. But regardless, with or without, cases were still above 20,000 and rising with masks and all those other restriction in place.

So if it’s your view that 20,000 cases a day is not an ‘acceptable’ number, then mandating masks on public transport is not enough. It doesn’t keep cases below 20,000. It does t even stop them rising.

Keeping cases low with Delta means either very severe restrictions or waiting for a lot of people to get infected so transmission slows.

QueenofKattegat · 18/08/2021 07:22

170 deaths today

Still think this situation is acceptable?

Yes.

And, as you should know given your absolute love of misinterpreting data, it wasn't 170 deaths yesterday.

Quartz2208 · 18/08/2021 08:41

Yea Tuesday is always the highest day sadly taking into account the weekend lag. Also what we are seeing now relates to the peak we saw 4/5 weeks ago

But also questioning whether it is acceptable really does make it seem like we have control over COVID and we don’t. We can control are response to it yes but we can’t control it. Sometimes I think we anthropomorphise COVID

herecomesthsun · 18/08/2021 08:55

We're in a situation where there isn't a single answer to all of it.

If masks (indoor, where it's busy) help even a bit then we might as well use them.

You could argue that if a masked-up environment makes vulnerable people more likely to shop, they could even help business. Likewise if they keep rates down and help society function.

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Tuba437 · 18/08/2021 09:07

Doesn't anyone think schools back in September will not have a massive increase in cases now? I mean in the top 4 English football leagues there are over 40 games a week sometimes even twice a week with crowds ranging from 3k to 80k. That's just football, add other sports into that and night clubs etc along with that fact most nurseries run throughout the summer. I can see a small uptick I cases in September but nothing like we have had before.

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GoldenOmber · 18/08/2021 09:07

You could argue that if a masked-up environment makes vulnerable people more likely to shop, they could even help business.

Maybe, or maybe not, but either way it is irrelevant to the question of whether 20,000 cases is ‘acceptable’ or not.

If we think 20,000 cases a day is not acceptable, then we need to be prepared to take measures necessary to reduce that. And those measures are, evidently, a lot more than just ‘masks’. Masks alone do not keep rates down. We know this, because we had masks and more when rates were going up.

IcedPurple · 18/08/2021 09:17

@GoldenOmber

You could argue that if a masked-up environment makes vulnerable people more likely to shop, they could even help business.

Maybe, or maybe not, but either way it is irrelevant to the question of whether 20,000 cases is ‘acceptable’ or not.

If we think 20,000 cases a day is not acceptable, then we need to be prepared to take measures necessary to reduce that. And those measures are, evidently, a lot more than just ‘masks’. Masks alone do not keep rates down. We know this, because we had masks and more when rates were going up.

Exactly this.

Plus, I've never encountered anyone who says 'we could just keep masks' and actually belives we should 'just' do that. Invariably they'll slip in 'and social distancing too', as though a measure which makes normal life impossible in so many ways were a trivial thing.

GoldenOmber · 18/08/2021 09:20

I do think 20,000 cases a day is probably acceptable for now. Not because 20,000 cases a day is not bad - of course it’s bad! - but because the measures we would need to take right now to get it under 20,000 now and keep it there now would not be worth the trade-off.

herecomesthsun · 18/08/2021 09:32

Of course we shouldn't be keeping distance from other people- if we weren't in a pandemic.

Since we are in one, it remains a good idea -if we don't want to be infected ourselves and don't want to infect other people.

All the arguing on the internet in the world won't change that.

So I would pick and choose what I do carefully.

Is that entirely back to what we were doing in 2019? Not really but it is entirely possible to get on with life like this.

Whether people being careful has an impact on business or not depends on the business.

Some businesses are managing very well in this situation, needless to say.

TheKeatingFive · 18/08/2021 09:37

if we weren't in a pandemic … Since we are in one

But we’re in it permanently now. Covid isn’t going anywhere. So what, we keep our distance from people forever now? What’s the timeframe?

Peteycat · 18/08/2021 09:37

Social distancing is not a good idea. Human contact raises our immune system. As does laughter, joy and being around those we love and care for.

MarshaBradyo · 18/08/2021 09:39

What an odd position to take that SD is a good idea what forever?

If a poster wants to do that alone- go for it

The rest of us no thanks

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