Will this level of cases now just be acceptable?

[Tuba437]

Just having a think to myself. We're now at around 30k cases a day in general. The 7 day average daily deaths is about 89 (this was for around 45-50k cases a day). We can assume that I a month or so deaths will be at around 60 a day.

Over a year that works out at about 21k worth of deaths. Will this just be the acceptable number. We know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread so I highly doubt were ever just going to get down to sub 5k cases a day again.

21k is considered a very mild flu death rate for the year. We have a new virus around now so more deaths a year are going to be a thing whether we like it or not.

I also think red list countries should only be for countries with worrying variants. If I don't have to isolate if my wife tests positive (just daily testing) then why on earth would I have to spend 1500 on a government hotel to quarantine as I've been to a country with a lower covid rate than us?

Sorry about the rant.

170 deaths today.

Still think this situation is acceptable?

Nanny and John

Please stop cluttering the thread with stats that we can find ourselves. It's really not helpful.

@NannyAndJohn

170 deaths today.

Still think this situation is acceptable?

Yes.

Yes- in that it's better than the alternative.

@Peteycat

Unfortunately the limits of a healthcare system are not an opinion.

The NHS can only treat so many patients at once. Duing peak periods the options are a) cancel elective and routine care so that efforts can be focused on emergencies that are life or death right now b) leave some emergency patients untreated to die so you can carry on with other operations

Every healthcare system has limits on the numbers of patients it can cope with at once. When the numbers of COVID patients get too high, care will suffer. There is no way around this, and it is not unique to the UK.

I suppose what we mean by ‘acceptable’ is tied to what we’d need to do to not accept it. So if we could prevent COVID cases and deaths by having a stern word with the virus then yes absolutely let’s do that, but if it means no household mixing and close schools indefinitely and nobody in nursing homes gets visitors ever again, then probably not what most of us would consider worth the trade off.

@Peteycat

Nanny and John

Please stop cluttering the thread with stats that we can find ourselves. It's really not helpful.

So we should do away with the helpful data threads, should we?

After all, it's all information that we can find ourselves.

@NannyAndJohn not replied to me about the ‘helpful data’ you post with your mad predictions?

@NannyAndJohn

170 deaths today.

Still think this situation is acceptable?

1500 average daily deaths on any given day for all causes @NannyAndJohn... is that acceptable?

Also today marks 5 weeks after the euro final.... so yes we would expect highest deaths to happen this week.

So we should do away with the helpful data threads, should we?

But your 'data' is the opposite of 'helpful', because you've been wildly and unapologetically wrong so often.

Still think this situation is acceptable?

Yes, it's the lesser of two evils, unquestionably.

@NannyAndJohn

170 deaths today.

Still think this situation is acceptable?

Yes. I am currently suffering with Covid by the way.

NannyAndJohn

“170 deaths today.”

Do we know how many were vaccinated/ suffering from serious conditions, other than covid?

Do we know how many were vaccinated/ suffering from serious conditions, other than covid? 'We' obviously don't but the NHS do. But of course the purpose of this question is to make us feel that these deaths matter less, somehow.

@lannistunut

Do we know how many were vaccinated/ suffering from serious conditions, other than covid? 'We' obviously don't but the NHS do. But of course the purpose of this question is to make us feel that these deaths matter less, somehow.

Do they "matter" more than the hundreds of other people who died today?

No it isn’t. Of course they matter as much as anyone else. Don’t be foolish.

I simply want to know (my husband is CEV)

Actually, IcedPurple, that’s offensive. You have no idea of my circumstances or my perspective.

Not to me @IcedPurple, not as people, no.

@MrsSkylerWhite

Actually, IcedPurple, that’s offensive. You have no idea of my circumstances or my perspective.

I wsn't even responding to you. People are so quick to take 'offence'.

Apologies, IcedPurple, I misread:

Actually, IcedPurple, that’s offensive. You have no idea of my circumstances or my perspective“

That was directed at lannistunut”

My family shielded from February 2020 to protect my CEV husband. He is now double vaccinated. Every day is still a balancing act for us and I don’t know how well the vaccinations will protect him with his multiple pre-existing conditions.

(And I realised I’d got it wrong before you posted your last, IcedPurpke, but you beat me to it.
Sorry again)

Then I get your name wrong to add insult to injury 😬

@MrsSkylerWhite

Then I get your name wrong to add insult to injury 😬

No worries!

@MrsSkylerWhite

Then I get your name wrong to add insult to injury 😬

Apologies for misinterpreting you @MrsSkylerWhite

@Whatshouldicallme 100% agree.

The backlog the NHS is now trying to sort is because of covid and patients who needed intervention.
Meaning staff were moved out of their usual areas.

The backlogs would have been even higher without lockdown. It wasn't like all the ahps were at home on furlough. They've worked all the way through
They didn't cancel electives to protect themselves and work from home
They cancel electives because there isn't the manpower or capacity.