What do we do if cases rocket in September?

[ncnoclue]

If schools etc being closed means that cases massively drop and we can in fact, live normal lives. And then once they go back, they shoot up again and we can't cope.

Is the plan to keep everything else closed, just to keep schools open? So even though everyone who wants it has been vaccinated and there's no other answer, we keep the economy closed indefinitely to keep schools open?!

I don’t think the Government are overly concerned about cases at the moment, worried yes but not concerned.

They are keeping everything crossed that we have enough protection to keep the NHS from being completely overwhelmed.

All eyes are on hospitalisations and deaths as really that is what all this has been about. Stopping the health system from collapsing. They don’t really care that much about us as individuals.

I know there is concern over the winter anyway, and I think what happens over the summer will influence how our winter will look.

I am anticipating masks to make a come back over the winter. Perhaps even social distancing and reduced capacity.

They may even try limiting contact in private homes again (I don’t think this will go down well at all - I cannot see compliance like we had in the past).

I think a full lockdown will only happen if things go majorly downhill. Most likely at the very last minute.

@NannyAndJohn I didn't ask why they dropped, I understand. I just said your projection of 100k by the 21st was wildly wrong!

Well said.

[quote ncnoclue]@SleepingStandingUp can you rephrase? Not following sorry.[/quote]
At no point has the economy been fully closed so why would they do it now when deaths are sp low. There's absolutely reason to assume deaths will skyrocket

[quote ncnoclue]@NannyAndJohn you know cases are dropping right now? A far cry from 100k by 21st June [/quote]
Ignore Nanny, she just likes to turn up on all Covid threads and spread her own particular brand of doom which isn’t based in any sort of reality.

@SleepingStandingUp I think it was obvious I meant lockdown - everything being closed

Cases dont matter. People need to stop panicking. So far the rise this wave hasn't translated into an overwhelmed NHS & that was the only reason for the ridiculous lockdowns.

Plus, business could only close thanks to furlough. There wont be any. I wonder how eager people will be for lockdowns when they have zero income to feed their kids & keep a roof over their heads.

@WildWestWanda

Number of cases are completely irrelevant!

It’s numbers needing hospital treatment and the number of people dying.

At some point they need to stop publishing numbers

Completely agree, I wish they’d focus on hospitalisations rather than cases.

The vast majority of cases are people at home, at most a bit poorly and often with few symptoms at all.

I actually thinks schools open helps keep numbers down. There's better control

Nope, infection rates in school kids fall whenever schools close, particularly in secondary. Kids don’t mix outside of school indoors in large numbers the way they do in schools.

@noblegiraffe

I actually thinks schools open helps keep numbers down. There's better control

Nope, infection rates in school kids fall whenever schools close, particularly in secondary. Kids don’t mix outside of school indoors in large numbers the way they do in schools.

Do they or do testing rates fall?

And here she is. Someone mentioned schools.

Cases have peaked and are dropping now, even though schools were generally open until last week.

Cases don't matter as long a the NHS isn't overwhelmed. I think the NHS is going to have a difficult winter with flu and other respiratory viruses as well as Covid this year. It doesn't help that the 3% pay rise is coming from the NHS budget rather than it being extra money. Isolation policy changes will just make the argument for not reporting cases stronger.

Personally I think that schools will only shut if a future variant makes children sick. Otherwise they will continue to pretend that schools are safe and long Covid isn't a thing because CEV children will be at home and schools have norovirus etc every year anyway. I think that the government are going for herd immunity in children by stealth.

The only options if it gets bad again would be to close education establishments and/or vaccinate the under 18s. No boosters for those under 50 which is likely to be a lot of the school staff who’s protection may have worn off from the initial jabs.

Long Covid isn't a thing in kids when compared with other viruses. See the JCVI report.

If they close schools again, all those who were entitled to places but kept their children at home anyway (like us, we could have had a place but ‘managed’ between us to keep numbers in school low) are likely to send their kids in this time. It’ll be barely worth closing.

Well i think we're in a better position now as we can have say four stages to try and drive down cases. If it gets put of hand.

Shut clubs and face masks again, pinging back to pre August 16th

Rule of 6, school bubbles, work from home

Rule of 6 outside, no inside mixing

Full lockdown.

@nannyandjohn, Scotland is showing a drop in hospitalisations which is a huge positive.

Lack of testing may be enough to add maybe a couple of thousand cases on, but we would still be way under last week.

As others have said... they way you talk its as if you think there are just an infinite number of people to infect and cases will always continue to rise. Over 93% have antibodies now. There was always going to be a time where the virus struggled to infect anyone new yet you don't seem to believe that.

Also surely there is rvery chance that if cases are coming down then the reason for less testing could quite easily be that less people are feeling unwell and requiring to take a test.

@Tuba437

Also surely there is rvery chance that if cases are coming down then the reason for less testing could quite easily be that less people are feeling unwell and requiring to take a test.

Yes I was going to point this out. If fewer people have Covid, there will be less testing as people won’t have symptoms to test for!

I think lots of people aren't doing PCRs. They are either getting mildly ill but as they are vaccinated they are just keeping going about their lives (irresponsibly, but hey ho), or they are doing LFTs, getting a positive and thinking oh I've got covid and isolating, but not bothering to get a PCR. Covid is so prevalent currently that nobody is really surprised to test positive! I am quite prepared for the inevitability of getting it - would just like to get past a few nice things we have to look forward to that we don't want ruined, and then we'll take our turn if we must. So honestly I think schools will stay open, there will be lots of kids and teachers off school because they will get it, but somehow we will muddle on. All of this is far from ideal for vulnerable children, healthwise, but they seem to have been forgotten about.

Why September? Cases are high and restrictions have been relaxed further . Why do people think cases will be higher even with restrictions relaxed people are still wearing masks and being careful testing and isolating . As long as hospital cases and deaths don’t go up it won’t be any different.
Furlough is ending so to make further restrictions they’ll need to carry on with furlough .
If anything maybe the winter but so many will ignore any suggestion of a lockdown now so it won’t work .

Also to add with so many people testing and isolating they are having lockdown but not having to pay furlough pay . Staff taking leave / sick / wfh leaving the rest to carry on .

@TotorosCatBus

Cases don't matter as long a the NHS isn't overwhelmed. I think the NHS is going to have a difficult winter with flu and other respiratory viruses as well as Covid this year. It doesn't help that the 3% pay rise is coming from the NHS budget rather than it being extra money. Isolation policy changes will just make the argument for not reporting cases stronger.

Personally I think that schools will only shut if a future variant makes children sick. Otherwise they will continue to pretend that schools are safe and long Covid isn't a thing because CEV children will be at home and schools have norovirus etc every year anyway. I think that the government are going for herd immunity in children by stealth.

Long covid isnt a thing, no more so than post viral syndrome has always been. But the MSM does love to whip up a frenzy and people have bought in hook line and sinker. I say this as someone who had severe Long Glandular Fever which screwed my life up for decades. I was 19, I was in my 30s before I finally turned the corner and got my life back. Fuck long covid!! I'm fed up with it being used as the branch to whip us all with!

Long Covid is a thing, mainly affecting those who have been in hospital with severe Covid.

For kids however it isn't.

Everyone on MN gets long Covid........