People refusing the vaccine why do defensive?

[fertilitybs]

I know a few people refusing the vaccine.

Whenever it comes up in conversation they her VERY argumentative, even though I haven't started any arguments and am actually quite respectful of peoples choice to not take it.

My question is, why are those not taking the vaccine getting so weird about it? If you're going to decide not to take it you should own your decisions.

Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

Can't have it both ways, you're also not being forced. I have no idea why people not taking the vaccine think this?

Anyway just a rant based on a recent disagreement with a family member.

Feel free to share your experience with me!

'Choices have consequences' - yes, the consequence for not having the vaccine is to run a higher risk of catching Covid and becoming seriously ill or possibly dying with it.

It's not to be ostracised from society or denied medical care despite being required to pay the same tax and NI as everyone else.

Other people have the same right to bodily autonomy as you do, OP.

They also have a right to medical confidentiality.

You have no right to sticky-beak or moralise about other peoples' vaccination status.

[quote fertilitybs]@xXOXOx they are approved for usage - they are not under trials[/quote]
Approved for emergency use only, as yet it’s not had FDA approval as far as I’m aware?

@Pollypocket89

I judge ignorant people and those who are too close minded or limited to understand other people are allowed a different opinion and that doesn't make them wrong

Guess it's a lose lose for both of us :D

I assume you haven't had the vax? This isn't about opinion, or anything else of a personal choice. This is about public health and the obligation we all have to everyone else to be vaccinated and help with herd immunity.

It really fucks me off to think people are so selfish to think it is an attack on their own personal presences as to how to live.

It's not, it's about how we all get to live freely again. Refusing vaccination is simply a selfish choice by those who put only themselves first.

It really fucks me off to think people are so selfish to think it is an attack on their own personal presences as to how to live.

It's not, it's about how we all get to live freely again. Refusing vaccination is simply a selfish choice by those who put only themselves first

I've lost the ability to type as the page is too thick with irony 😆

Thank you for the laugh, though

Bodily autonomy and consent to medical treatment are too important to subordinate to this vaccine.

I've had both mine and was happy that it was the right choice for me in reducing my own covid risk, and obviously it's good that it reduces the spread as well. But that's my decision, it doesn't give me the right to pressurise others to do so or exclude them from normal aspects of life. I don't buy this 'choices have consequences' argument, since when is it ok to use that to coerce people into a medical procedure? It's fucking sinister IMO. And no you can't just say tough luck, you can't come to this restaurant/club/whatever. Any of us could be transmitting colds, flu, norovirus etc at any time. Sadly that's the nature of human society and it's a risk we all take if we go somewhere and mix with others. Vaccinations reduce that risk for covid but they don't eliminate it.

The vaccination rollout has been a great thing IMO and I'm glad most people have been taking it up but it is 100% personal choice.

People are likely defensive a lot of the time because it’s uncomfortable having others challenge your choices and we all like to believe we have made the right choice. I personally think most people who haven’t had the vaccine don’t make much sense when they explain why. Take the whole “we don’t know possible long term effects of the vaccine as it’s still in trials”. This is an entirely fair comment except that covid as a disease hasn’t existed that much longer than the vaccines have so we’ve also got rather limited information about the long term side effects of contracting it. On that basis the logical thing would seem to be to look at the risks we do know about and if they are less from the vaccine than the disease surely you then get the vaccine. Majority consensus from the scientific community thus far is the vaccine poses less risk even for fit young adults. I tend to therefore assume that if people don’t want the vaccine it’s because of some underlying risk factor they fear might mean they are more prone to issues with the vaccine than average or it’s because they feel like actively taking a smaller risk is worse than waiting and seeing if they ever actually catch covid even if statistically it may well be probable it isn’t. Of course there are some people who are just into conspiracy theories that are totally crazy and some of them likely have mental health issues but that’s not most people who are not getting vaccinated. I’m so tired of reading how selfish and horrible and stupid people are if they opt not to get vaccinated. It’s not that black and white by any stretch of the imagination and being awful to/about people has never been a strategy to help change their minds. We are busy setting up a scenario where we could end up with so many more people being resistant to having standard childhood vaccines for their kids due to the very negative associations with these tactics of strong arming people. It seems so very shortsighted.

@FunnysInLaJardin There are alot of people who can't have it though for medical reasons and there are those who had the 1 st vaccine but not the 2 ND for genuine reason are they also selfish for putting themselves first ?

Having the vaccine isn't the only way to be socially responsible in the face of this pandemic.

Absolutely - I guess we are all irresponsible then

@Pollypocket89 have you had a Polio vaccine?

I get defensive because ive explained to my family that im not having the vaccine and that is that yet every time i see them especially DF will ask "Have you booked your jab yet" and then starts a long rant on how worried he is about me and how he didnt realise i was so silly and selfish (as if im 5 when im actually 49!) It is exhausting. Im not happy that they have all been vaccinated but i dont question their decision so dont question mine, im quite perfectly happy with it.

@Tana433 what vaccines have you had since you became an adult?

@FunnysInLaJardin

It really fucks me off to think people are so selfish to think it is an attack on their own personal presences as to how to live

It fucks other people off that they're expected to have something they don't want injected into their blood.

You're just going to have to cope with your fury, because it won't make a blind bit of difference to anybody.

Aaargh! Probably defensive because of stupid posts like this where you just want to call them selfish. It is their choice, stop bloody going on about them!

What does me having the polio vacinne have to do with anything?

No one has yet answered about those who can't for medical reasons? Are they to be shunned as well?

@fertilitybs

Having the vaccine isn't the only way to be socially responsible in the face of this pandemic.

Absolutely - I guess we are all irresponsible then

I don't understand. Could you explain this?

Absolutely - I guess we are all irresponsible then

To some extent, yes. If you go and breathe the same air as other people in a shop or anywhere else, you're risking their lives and their grannies' lives too. That's a fact isn't it? We can only do our best and for some people that may not include things like mask wearing or vaccination, whether for physical or mental reasons (and sometimes really silly reasons). C'est la vie.

The posts on this thread are why, in short to answer the initial post.

@TheFoundations have you had any vaccines since you were 18?

[quote Postdatedpandemic]@TheFoundations have you had any vaccines since you were 18?[/quote]
Why do you ask?

fertilitybs

Every single person on this thread that doesn't want the vaccine still expects ICU treatment if they get sick though.

That's my point about entitlement. Wanting came and eating it too.

Oh dear!
I actually thought you were serious and wanted a discussion...

Do you think that every single person who didn't have the covid vaccine will be refunded all their tax and NI contributions? So they can get a private treatment?

Will it also extended to people who were driving a car and ended up in a car crash?
Runners who had accidents running?
Cyclist???

Same old points being made..... just read the other threads. 🤷🏻‍♀️ It’s like you think you have something new and groundbreaking to say..... you don’t.

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair if you're so bored by the thread why are you still commenting?

@TheFoundations because this consent to a vaccine for yourself is quite new. Apart from the flu jab, which seems to be viewed differently.

I'm curious, I've had to have a fair few for work and travel, but I am aware that I am in a minority.

How many adults have had to consent to having a vaccine?

[quote fertilitybs]@SupermanWithTheGreyHair if you're so bored by the thread why are you still commenting? [/quote]
I think it was to do with wanting to have a dig.

Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

They're defensive because of accusations and assumptions like this.