People refusing the vaccine why do defensive?

[fertilitybs]

I know a few people refusing the vaccine.

Whenever it comes up in conversation they her VERY argumentative, even though I haven't started any arguments and am actually quite respectful of peoples choice to not take it.

My question is, why are those not taking the vaccine getting so weird about it? If you're going to decide not to take it you should own your decisions.

Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

Can't have it both ways, you're also not being forced. I have no idea why people not taking the vaccine think this?

Anyway just a rant based on a recent disagreement with a family member.

Feel free to share your experience with me!

What I don't respect is that people think the can refuse it and not have a consequence

That sentence makes no sense.

Look, you can pretend that you're respectful and tolerant and lie to yourself if you like - no-one can stop you - but if you genuinely were, you wouldn't be here starting goady threads, calling people 'entitled' or moaning about them being defensive; you wouldn't be advocating that they be excluded from participating fully in society (and as previous posters have said, it's not like fully vaccinated people can't spread COVID) and you wouldn't be happy with others being subtly blackmailed into doing something they don't want to do.

When you ask why they get so defensive? It's because of people like you.

I'm confused about the paying your own costs for flu treatment thing. What costs, lemsip?

I don’t understand why people keep comparing the covid vaccine to all the other vaccines its so tiring. Its a completely different technology to “traditional” vaccines, with no long term data. Its comparing chalk with cheese so of course people are going to have a different viewpoint on this particular “vaccine”.

[quote fertilitybs]@Ohanaa that's exactly what my post said [/quote]
Then the point of this thread is what exactly …

To moan…. You just said they can respond how they like so what’s the problem.

Do you do everything you can to reduce chances of spreading this virus OP? Do you have the app for example?

The OP wonders why people are so defensive but seems to have a very bad attitude towards unvaccinated people, I think people are being defensive due to the OPs attritude.

What I don't respect is that people think the can refuse it and not have a consequence.

You sound beyond ignorant and entitled yourself, op. I wish I could laugh but it just makes me sad, the irony of questioning why. Why people think they should get a say or call someone selfish for using their own critical thinking skills with regards to their own body on an as of yet un tested - for years, to know how it effects people long term - vaccine, is terrifying

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair no I don't have the app - and if restaurants won't let me in because of it I'd completely understand!!! Makes perfect sense - that's my point

Perhaps ecause we're sick of being labelled as 'selfish' for not volunteering to be guinea pigs, sick of the attempts to coerce us into putting something we're not comfortable with into our bodies and downright pissed off that people think they have any right to our confidential medical information

*because

Why do you feel they owe you an explanation?

@MrsSnitchnose I personally don't think it's selfish / but I do think strange that you don't understand that venues can choose who to admit if it poses a risk to the health and safety of others?

@MrsSnitchnose what vaccines have you consented to in your adult life?

Anything other than the flu jab?

I didn't say the UK has mandatory vaccines but other countries do.
Well, as I thought -glad we agree on that - NO MANDATORY vaccines in UK
Could you please educate me on which travel vaccines are mandatory for which countries?
Also how is let's say Yellow fever mandatory vaccine in let's say Togo relevant to a person in UK wanting to enter a night club???
But to answer your original question - none of the people I know who are not having THE vaccine (for various reason) was argumentative about it or sounded entitled...
However most of them were bullied and harassed and emotionally abused by there nearest and dearest for their decision
Just my two pence worth though. Obviously we don't meet the same people

OP seems like the type that would think it would be acceptable to pin the unvaccinated down and forcibly inject them

no I don't have the app - and if restaurants won't let me in because of it I'd completely understand!!! Makes perfect sense - that's my point

But someone who tests regularly, has the app, isolates if necessary, wears a mask is also unlikely to pose a risk. You are deliberately trying to avoid isolating, knowing that could mean you are a danger to others. Seems hypocritical.

@Cindy974 nope. Because that would be weird

I believe the alternatives of testing, masks, complying with isolation mean I’m no more a risk than someone who is vaccinated.

Anyway, I don’t wish to engage in this argument.... it’s been done way too many times. Have fun. 😬

@SupermanWithTheGreyHair no it doesn't because in replacement I write my name and number down so they can still contact me.

I don't want the app, and that's my point - I don't have an issue with people refusing the vaccine at all but to still expect to have all of your freedoms is entitlement.

Like I said and I repeat / if restaurants no longer let me in because I don't have the app I'd either download it or NOT GO! I wouldn't say I should be able to do what I like!

@fertilitybs You don't sound respectful about people's choice OP, you keep saying you are respectful but then calling the unvaccinated entitled and basically saying you agree they shouldn't be allowed in clubs. They are doing vaccine passports to try and coerce young people into having the vaccine because they know young people will cave if they can't get into clubs, you say in your OP that people are not being forced but really they are forcing people to get it or they aren't allowed to live a normal life, I think that is wrong. Young people who are very unlikely to be affected much by covid shouldn't be coerced into having a vaccine that could affect them long term, they don't have the data of long term effects because the vaccine is new. If you find unvaccinated people defensive, you might find they are maybe being defensive to you because of your attitude on it. I have a 12 year old son and he most certainly won't be having it until there is more data on it and it is fully approved.

You are free to make whatever choice you want in life, but every choice comes with consequences. We teach children this, I don't understand why adults struggle with this concept.

That's a lovely simplistic soundbite - "choices come with consequences" - but it means nothing at all, because even an idiot can see that it's blindingly obvious after thinking about it for a few seconds.

Just because you give someone a choice doesn't mean that makes everything OK and you can happily go on with your day, knowing what a good and tolerant person you are. Being hung or electrocuted is a choice, but the end result is the same.

So please - no more 'choices have consequences' bullshit - it's just rubbish.

I don't believe young healthy people should need to take a vaccine that is in trials until 2023 when they don't know the long term effects

Much better that young vulnerable people are used as guinea pigs eh?

(Even though they aren’t really guinea pigs, the whole “in trials” thing is misunderstood or deliberately used to mislead people)

Unvaccinated people get defensive because they are often portrayed as uneducated or selfish.

This means that for a few people who genuinely can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons, they need to explain why.

It’s a bit like people who don’t breastfeed: all the medical evidence is that it is by far the best form of nutrition for the baby and good for the mother’s health, so people who can’t breastfeed for medical reasons will often feel they have to explain it so that they are not seen as uneducated or selfish.

@xXOXOx entering a nightclub isn't essential though. We get coerced into many things.

Do you expect to drive a car without passing a test? Are you being coerced into test taking by making it illegal to have to pass the test? If that's the case many things in life we are being coerced.