People refusing the vaccine why do defensive?

[fertilitybs]

I know a few people refusing the vaccine.

Whenever it comes up in conversation they her VERY argumentative, even though I haven't started any arguments and am actually quite respectful of peoples choice to not take it.

My question is, why are those not taking the vaccine getting so weird about it? If you're going to decide not to take it you should own your decisions.

Also people not taking it appear very entitled - want their cake and eat it. Still want to go nightclubs but still don't want the vaccine.

Can't have it both ways, you're also not being forced. I have no idea why people not taking the vaccine think this?

Anyway just a rant based on a recent disagreement with a family member.

Feel free to share your experience with me!

@Postdatedpandemic a couple, why? And I've never had a flu jab because I've never seen the need for myself

Because of the absolute hatred thrown at people who have made a personal choice. Don't believe me just look at almost every other thread on the subject.
Plus the news is so one sided - the reporters were politely speaking to those who had the vaccine and being very aggressive in their questioning of those who hadn't on BBC and Chanel 4 today.
Plus the miss-information out there. For example in this post alone the idea that clinical trials had finished.
I'm bored of hearing anyone who voices genuine (educated and well reasoned) concern being called stupid, conspiracy theorist, selfish etc. This whole thing has truly bought out the worst of humanity and I am ashamed of the world I live in.

I don't believe young healthy people should need to take a vaccine that is in trials until 2023 when they don't know the long term effects

Are young people safer with the long Covid effects?

Every single person on this thread that doesn't want the vaccine still expects ICU treatment if they get sick though.

That's my point about entitlement. Wanting came and eating it too.

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@Notthemessiah

You are free to make whatever choice you want in life, but every choice comes with consequences. We teach children this, I don't understand why adults struggle with this concept.

That's a lovely simplistic soundbite - "choices come with consequences" - but it means nothing at all, because even an idiot can see that it's blindingly obvious after thinking about it for a few seconds.

Just because you give someone a choice doesn't mean that makes everything OK and you can happily go on with your day, knowing what a good and tolerant person you are. Being hung or electrocuted is a choice, but the end result is the same.

So please - no more 'choices have consequences' bullshit - it's just rubbish.

Clearly, "idiots" cannot see this as they moan about not being able to go into nightclubs or on vacation abroad without getting vaccinated. So it's not as obvious or "simplistic" as you make it out to be.

Futhermore, I don't think deathrow inmates get to pick their method of execeution. There have been numerous court cases about this in the past few years in the U.S. alone. Also, this is a false equivalency. Deathrow inmates have no freedom. Unvaccinated people do.

@fertilitybs

Every single person on this thread that doesn't want the vaccine still expects ICU treatment if they get sick though.

That's my point about entitlement. Wanting came and eating it too.

So do people who eat and drink to excess, those who do dangerous sports etc, or are we rationing out medical care to those people only certain people deem deserving?

Way to spectacularly miss the point there.

So why have you deleted the app....unless you think you are avoiding having to isolate by doing it.... which may put people in danger?

Yes, they'd be entitled to hospital treatment. Your attitude and ignorance is disgusting

I actually find vaccinated people can be defensive. When I was asked at work if I'd had mine and I said no those that had got the jag tried to justify why they had went for it. It felt like they went because everyone else had and that the idea of actually making the decision not to have the vaccination never entered their head. I've not had it and threads like this are not going to change my mind.

@fertilitybs

Every single person on this thread that doesn't want the vaccine still expects ICU treatment if they get sick though.

That's my point about entitlement. Wanting came and eating it too.

How far do you want to go with this train of thought? Have you ever done something that might be perceived as bad for your health? Or are you one of this year's Olympians?

Will you be expecting NHS care, despite the fact that you drink alcohol/eat a poor diet/don't exercise enough/smoke etc? What about all the other non-Olympians?

Do you think that only the people who follow NHS guidelines to the letter should be entitled to NHS medical care?

@user1471543683 have you had the measles jab?

What a shame. We are have world beating vaccines in the time of a pandemic which is killing many may people and folk are still arguing about whether the take the cure.

FFS get over yourselves and adopt some social responsibility.

Personally I think it's quite rude to be asking people whether they've had or are going to have the vaccine or not. I think it's private and not anyone else's business.
I think people automatically get defensive because a lot of people are very judgemental of people who haven't been vaccinated, I know you say you aren't judgmental but I think from the fact that you have written this post says otherwise.

Woahhh dangerous statement there. Regardless if you want the vaccine or not, it is not 'the cure'

@FunnysInLaJardin

What a shame. We are have world beating vaccines in the time of a pandemic which is killing many may people and folk are still arguing about whether the take the cure.

FFS get over yourselves and adopt some social responsibility.

It is a shame that you don't respect people who have a different opinion to yours. Your way of living is not the only way.

It doesn't really matter whether you understand that or not, though. Your opinion isn't going to make a jot of difference to whether or not anybody gets the vaccine.

Having the vaccine isn't the only way to be socially responsible in the face of this pandemic.

By the way, those that can't have it for medical reasons... Are you still of the same opinion? Because the 'rules' you're so keen to enforce would apply to all, no?

do you know what, I think we all have the right to be judgemental of people who won't have the vaccine.

It is the only way our of this mess and if you won't do it you are being utterly selfish and deserve to be judged.

@Pollypocket89 what's the cure then? Should we overwhelm the NHS or continue lockdowns? As they seem to be the only other options currently

@Pollypocket89

Woahhh dangerous statement there. Regardless if you want the vaccine or not, it is not 'the cure'

Yes. Startlingly ignorant. In the face of everything we've been told, and coming from somebody who is essentially saying 'Do as you're told.'

Google the word cure if you don't understand the difference....not being sarcastic

I just assume that people who have not had the vaccine have not idea how vaccines work. Remember Tony Blair and his "Education, education, education" campaign?

He failed

@Pollypocket89

Woahhh dangerous statement there. Regardless if you want the vaccine or not, it is not 'the cure'

its the best we have

I judge ignorant people and those who are too close minded or limited to understand other people are allowed a different opinion and that doesn't make them wrong

Guess it's a lose lose for both of us :D