Mandatory vaccines for care workers now law.

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Mandatory vaccines for care workers is now law. Millions more workers will be affected.

The House of Lords passed the new law after just 90 minutes debate, with a regret motion noting there is insufficient evidence for it and that the severity of impact is unknown.

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There is also already mandated vaccinations in Australia, so there is precedence. From no jab no play (no access to schooling) to no jab no pay (no access to workplaces (mainly medical roles) or government payments).

This year the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has backed the Czech Republic in its requirement for mandatory pre-school vaccinations. There are a number of interesting legal arguments currently bases on this ruling on how it can apply to COVID.

Why have they made it madadatory for care home workers but not NHS workers??

Broadly because the unions would fight them and the social care sector is easy pickings as public opinion of those who are employed in the sector is akin to shit on their shoes.

Nobody will fight the carer's corner. The government knows that essentially the public appetite is such that care home workers should put up and shut up and be glad to have the chance to wipe their granny's bottom.

The public clapped for the NHS.

The lockdowns have been predicated upon preserving the capacity of the NHS and their staff lauded as heroes. There would be significant push back were they to now begin the mandatory jabs with them.

So they'll wait a while and point to the success of mandating it in care homes and make the comparison that NHS staff should do the same. At this point carers will be magically elevated in the MSM and public consciousness to serve as a comparator to any dissenting NHS staff.

"Well if the care sector did it, why won't you?"

Rinse and repeat. Its quite the formula.

This is good. Care homes should be safe places.

Yellow Monday - everyone we know feels the same as us is a symptom of associated with like-minded people, which we all do.
You may reflect the majority, but a significant minority at least will hark up.
It would only take 20% or so to cause chaos.

It will be hard for NHS staff as their employer obviously has a strong public position on the topic. In Australia expressing vaccine scepticism, including outside of work, is a sackable offence for staff employed by public hospitals. Is NHS the same?

While I agree that those in the care setting are chronically underpaid and undervalued I can't get my knickers in a twist about the vaccine being mandatory.

I have read somewhere ( and have tried to find the source but can't) that the care home sector uptake for vaccine was extremely low. That's probably why. Is has now become mandatory.
I have no doubt they will apply this across the health setting but I do not know one hcp ( other than a pregnant colleague) who has not had their vaccination within my trust. So maybe the need to push it to mandatory isn't so urgent.

@ZednotZee

This isn't about vaccination or preserving health.

Its about setting precedents.

What precedents are you talking about? it's just common sense. I had to be vaccinated ten years ago to be able to work in my chosen career. If you don't want to be vaccinated, that's your choice, but other people have the right to be protected from you.

@MercyBooth

Well why do you want it brushed under the carpet.

Where did I stay that?

I'm not the least bit anti vax and have had both jabs. And I don't agree that forcing people to have the jabs is a good idea.

I'm concerned that our governments now effectively has power over people's bodily autonomy.

Precisely the precedent of being able to mandate a treatment for the entire population.

Once they've pushed that through they can mandate pretty much anything as the precedent has been set.

Beautifully executed so I will give them that, whatever my misgivings about the situation as a whole.

@Keepemguessing

I'm not the least bit anti vax and have had both jabs. And I don't agree that forcing people to have the jabs is a good idea.

I'm concerned that our governments now effectively has power over people's bodily autonomy.

It doesn't. It has power over the requirements on people that work with vulnerable people, there's nothing new there. Nobody can force anyone to have the jab, of course. Everyone needs to deal with the consequences of their decisions though

@ZednotZee

Precisely the precedent of being able to mandate a treatment for the entire population.

Once they've pushed that through they can mandate pretty much anything as the precedent has been set.

Beautifully executed so I will give them that, whatever my misgivings about the situation as a whole.

Nobody is mandating a treatment. To my knowledge nobody has been given the jab against their will. This is like saying the government mandated some rules to make tap water safe. Once they can control the quality of the water they can mandate anything, right? Your comment has no logic

Nobody can force anyone to have the jab, of course. Everyone needs to deal with the consequences of their decisions though

Exactly this. You have the choice to not be vaccinated, but you also need to accept the consequences of your choice. You can choose not to be vaccinated but you may not have access to certain workplaces. You don't get it both ways! Your choice is respected but you are also not placing at risk public health.

There are people in Australia who choose to not vaccinate their children, and instead choose to home school and do not receive government/tax benefits. That is the trade off for their choice.

They will just start with the care workers, NHS workers next. Same as vaccine passports, start with nightclubs then other places will follow. I will add I don't agree with this at all

Nobody is mandating a treatment. To my knowledge nobody has been given the jab against their will.
This is like saying the government mandated some rules to make tap water safe. Once they can control the quality of the water they can mandate anything, right?
Your comment has no logic

OK well look, they appear to have mandated in law the requirement to have a course of covid vaccines as a condition of employment for those within the care sector.
The will extend this to NHS staff and all public facing roles in time.
If variants continue to be an issue in spite of these measures, which I wager that they almost undoubtedly will then they have a reason to mandate the covid vaccines across the entirety of the population. Hence the future precedent being set for mandation of any number of things which they can garner public support for via the methods available to them.

In a few simple steps we become a country with a blanket policy of mandatory covid vaccinations.
This will take no time whatsoever to achieve.

Its a false equivalency to equate an immune modulating IM vaccine with water sanitation. For I would have thought, very obvious reasons.

This really isn't about vaccines , they are simply a convenient means to an end.

Does anyone actually believe the government gives a shit about old people?

Lol at anyone who thinks they do. They were happy for covid to wipe our the over 80s population. This isn’t about protecting the elderly.

@ZednotZee
The water example was not an equivalence. It was an example of the government mandating something to protect public health.
People that are not vaccinated shouldn't be able to work with the public, to protect public health.

@ZednotZee

[off topic for this thread]

Best of luck in your efforts to become a Disablility Assessor - I went through the process and got as far as doing the 'test'. I thought I would pass as I'm reasonably fast at typing etc - but no - it was really hard...and I failed - and I'm still in my heavy physically demanding nursing role at age 58 - urghh.

On topic though - myself and all of the other 35 NHS colleagues I work with - including a lot of HCAs - have all had 2 x Covid jabs.

@Keepemguessing

I'm not the least bit anti vax and have had both jabs. And I don't agree that forcing people to have the jabs is a good idea.

I'm concerned that our governments now effectively has power over people's bodily autonomy.

Bless you, you should be even saying - I’m not anti vax, what is concerning - how people been made believe it’s just about the virus

@berrylands

At this point it has little to do with public health; so whether or not you, I or any other person believes in the legitimacy of mandatory vaccinations is academic

Doctors can practice without Vaccinations and this has been the case for many years, why should care workers be different

@leafygarden42

Thank you. I have already been offered the position and was waiting until now to see whether the vaccine was to be mandated before signing any contracts.
I fully expect to detest the job to be perfectly honest but working from home with DH will be a nice change for me.

Have you looked in to nurse advisor positions? Much less physically demanding and in most instances you get a company car if that's of any benefit to you?
Have a look on some pharma jo s websites as that's where they tend to be advertised.
Best of luck if you decide to switch roles, the wards are bloody hard going and I take my hat off to you for being there.

@KalvinPhillipsManBun

Wow all of you saying they were right too make it compulsory, they are breaking the law, the vaccine is useless, does not stop the spread and protects only you, it's scary how evil and sinister this government are.

And it’s scary how many people either don’t read the evidence on this or chose to ignore it. The vaccines have been shown to significantly reduce transmission. But I guess that doesn’t help to back up the views of the stupid selfish.

@ZednotZee
It has everything to do with public health. We are in the middle of a pandemic.

Oh, you're one of those.

The issue for me isn’t necessarily the fact it will be mandated, as referenced by pp it is mandatory for other vaccinations for NHS.

However, the impact on a sector that cares for vulnerable people, is chronically underfunded and therefore has consistent recruitment and retention issues, will absolutely put services and people at risk - something which this Government doesn’t seem to care about, especially now they’ve kicked the “fix social care” can down the road until Autumn.

For me, they need to fix it first so that those who don’t wish to be vaccinated can leave, and the sector is able to attract replacements for those roles. As it is now, I fear swathes of care workers will abandon the sector and there won’t be anyone to replace them with.