I understand why people are against vaccine passports but...

[User135644]

I understand why people are against vaccine passports, but a lot of those most vocal against it are the usual crowd who have been anti-lockdown and anti-mask throughout (and often anti-vaccine). They won't accept vaccine passports but will be the first to complain if and when nightclubs are forced to close again due to the impact of the virus which without vaccines would already be a lot worse with the Delta variant.

They can't always have it both ways.

I think the people most vocal about these things are worried about our freedoms. They are being gradually eroded.

Double jabbed mask wearing rule stickler confirmed here and I’m furious!

If this doesn’t make you realise something is very wrong then nothing will.

This will be his gateway to ID cards.

I work with someone who is vulnerable, anti-vaccine but is the first to want to ditch her mask. Even though she believes covid would be very serious for her. I don't get it but some people are anti-compromise.

I get that all the options are shit, but I don't understand the one she's chosen.

I wear masks and have had my vaccine. I'm by no means a covid denier although I do question the sense of many of the restrictions and believe we now have to live with covid as we do the numerous other deadly diseases in the world.

I cannot accept people being treated differently because of vaccine status, it is the beginning of a very, very slippery slope and I continue to find it astonishing how quickly people are willing to give up their freedoms.

@waheythisoneisfree

Double jabbed mask wearing rule stickler confirmed here and I’m furious!

Yep me too - plus I'm CEV!

@userperuser

If this doesn’t make you realise something is very wrong then nothing will.

Exactly this ^ if people don't smell a rat now they never will!

There are a lot of nutters on the anti-lockdown size. I'm with you on that one. It's why i can't really join with them... even though I lean toward lockdown-resistant.

Maybe everything will settle down sensibly in the end. I hope so.

In meantime, some of the precedents being established are awful. They matter because legal systems work according to precedent. Bodily autonomy? Chuck that principle. Burden of risk carried by individuals? Forget that. Cost-benefit-analysis, evidence-based-medicine? Neah, we want precautionary principle instead. Climate Change? Who cares, only covid matters now.

Zero covid? Sure, let's go for that at any price

If you want stricter controls then the situation seems highly illogical -- but if you want looser controls, the situation also seems highly illogical. There's no careful decision making going on that puts all risks into perspective. In meantime, the precedents being established are all nuts. Lock Spanish or Filipino children in their homes for 2 months? Sure, why not. etc.

@Usual2usual

I wear masks and have had my vaccine. I'm by no means a covid denier although I do question the sense of many of the restrictions and believe we now have to live with covid as we do the numerous other deadly diseases in the world.

I cannot accept people being treated differently because of vaccine status, it is the beginning of a very, very slippery slope and I continue to find it astonishing how quickly people are willing to give up their freedoms.

I feel like a boiling frog.

@userperuser

If this doesn’t make you realise something is very wrong then nothing will.

But these places will just close down again over winter anyway. Better to potentially keep them open any way they can.

@MrsTerryPratchett

I work with someone who is vulnerable, anti-vaccine but is the first to want to ditch her mask. Even though she believes covid would be very serious for her. I don't get it but some people are anti-compromise.

I get that all the options are shit, but I don't understand the one she's chosen.

This is the thing. I accept people's view and principles but they come with a price. You can't have everything your own way all the time.

Well I'm in favour of Covid vaccine passports, needing a certain vaccine for a particular profession or to visit a certain country isn't a new thing.

This is the government giving venues like nightclubs the chance to stay open at all.

User135644

What if protections afforded at the price of freedom was the removal of free healthcare? Would you also happily accept that?

I'm not anti-vaccine but find it outrageous that passports will finally be used to bully the young into taking a vaccine they have never needed, just to appease others. It's bloody depressing that more people can't or won't see it.

Nightclubs don't need passports to stay open, the young aren't the ones affected by covid. If anything this will kill them off.

@waheythisoneisfree

Double jabbed mask wearing rule stickler confirmed here and I’m furious!

Ditto.

I'm not in favour at all, double jabbed but will cancel events that needs a passport and get a refund, don't go to nightclubs and pubs anyway or go abroad for holiday.

I feel like a frog in a boiling pot, but I don't realise it is lethal yet.

User135644 What if protections afforded at the price of freedom was the removal of free healthcare? Would you also happily accept that?

I don't see the equivalence.

My point is someone who is anti-mask and anti-lockdowns throughout and is now anti-vaccine passport, when it's basically a compromise to try and avoid those things happening again. They would be just as annoyed if nightclubs are forced to close, as they would be at vaccine passports.

I'm not talking about people who are opposed to vaccine passports purely on principle, whether they've had the vaccine or not, but haven't thrown a shit fit about lockdowns when they've been necessary, or wearing a mask here and there.

Without the success of vaccines we'd all been in lockdown right now with terrible hospital and death figures again. The reality is twenty somethings still aren't double jabbed and it's helped cases go through the roof again (although double jabbed can still catch Covid of course)

I'm not anti-vaccine but find it outrageous that passports will finally be used to bully the young into taking a vaccine they have never needed, just to appease others. It's bloody depressing that more people can't or won't see it.

Totally agree.

@thenightsky

I'm not anti-vaccine but find it outrageous that passports will finally be used to bully the young into taking a vaccine they have never needed, just to appease others. It's bloody depressing that more people can't or won't see it.

Totally agree.

And for what it's worth vaccine passports won't happen anyway. As the poster said it's just a coercion tactic because the roll out is slow among the young.

Boris is far too much of a shitbag to take on the right-wing media over this - and his own backbenches - when push comes to shove.

Therefore, i'm not too bothered because it's not going to happen anyway, i'm just sick of the anti-lockdown/anti-mask, anti-everything crowd who won't compromise on anything.

But valance said double jabbed people can still transmit.
Get covid and end up in hospital so will clubs be that much safer.

@RolloTomassi Nightclubs will close again imminently with the number of cases that will be linked to them if some restrictions aren't in place. They may need to close anyway but perhaps this gives some a chance to remain viable businesses.

Long Covid is a big concern for teens and young adults.

Double jabbed mask wearing rule stickler confirmed here and I’m furious!

If this doesn’t make you realise something is very wrong then nothing will.

Both of these statements 1 million per cent! It's just wrong on every level

I don't get it. I of course understand that UK so-called lockdown was very mild compared to many other countries. But still. If your options are either proof of vaccination status/testing or closing down everything for everybody - how is the former worse and more restrictive? If everybody needs to sit at home, all schools, shops, restaurants etc etc closed - that's better and not eroding freedoms? Or what's their solution to get and keep this situation somewhat under control?