We need to cancel our U.K. break don’t we?

[covidsucker]

DTs off isolating due to a case in their primary bubble. DTs are fine with no symptoms. We are supposed to be going on holiday next week to a U.K. caravan but their isolation does not end until mid week.

We have a policy which will allow us to move it free of cost but I am so sad it’s another one cancelled

It's just one of those media reporting what they think people want to read, things Abraxan. And being encouraged by the government to do so.

At no point today have the government announced a change in policy from the 19th, just a lot of ministers talking about what they hope to see from the 19th.

It's a bit like 'I see no reason for reopening not to happen on the 19th' being translated as we're reopening on the 19th. Absolutely utterly pointless to even think about it until the week before. When the decision will be made.

Totally agree! Sooner the better as you can see just by Mumsnet people are becoming irrationally focused on every single case

Thanks Rafal.

I'd love to see isolation periods removed for all except the very closest of contacts, ie for a partner/child but will wait til it is confirmed before getting my hopes up.

The problem is that with an aerosol spread virus that might not be very effective Abraxan. Poster on another forum I'm on had a burst bubble in their child's class. 1/3 of the class now have covid.

I suspect that removing the bubble thing is going to end up in whole schools being closed down by public health quite quickly.

@wasthataburp of course you do because you are wrong

Think we are going to have to move towards that though as isolations can't be a long term solution.

Majority of adults will be fully vaccinated come September, so all vulnerable will have at least some cover, if not all/full.

I know it's not a perfect solution but what is? This can't continue much longer for anyone can it?

@Watapalava

They have literally announced today that isolation for contacts inc kids ends on July 19 so it be fine

They literally haven’t.

@TheLovelinessOfDemons

No one can do anything about it and no one can isolate indefinitely, it’s impractical.

Instead of asking mumsnet what you should do why don’t you contact his consultant and ask their advice?

The problem is it's not just close contacts in schools being told to isolate. My son's school has now told an entire year group (180 kids) to isolate for 10 days, even if they weren't a close contact. Some of these kids were already on day 9 of an isolation period and are now being hit with a further 10 days. It really takes the Mickey when the wealthy and powerful do what they like.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

It's just one of those media reporting what they think people want to read, things Abraxan. And being encouraged by the government to do so.

At no point today have the government announced a change in policy from the 19th, just a lot of ministers talking about what they hope to see from the 19th.

It's a bit like 'I see no reason for reopening not to happen on the 19th' being translated as we're reopening on the 19th. Absolutely utterly pointless to even think about it until the week before. When the decision will be made.

The decision’s been made, all the media coverage is preemptive to soften up those who want us to live with restrictions for ever. The sooner they forget about cases and focus on hospital admissions and deaths the better.

Sounds like a school error if the kids haven't been in for 9 days why would they need another 10 off they wouldn't of come into contact with person who had it 2nd time.

@Jumbojem

The problem is it's not just close contacts in schools being told to isolate. My son's school has now told an entire year group (180 kids) to isolate for 10 days, even if they weren't a close contact. Some of these kids were already on day 9 of an isolation period and are now being hit with a further 10 days. It really takes the Mickey when the wealthy and powerful do what they like.

Surely this is an admin error? None of the kids off for 9 days could be contacts if the new case

No admin error. There was a case late last week, 1/3 of the year isolating. A second earlier this week and a third yesterday. After 3 cases out if 180 PHE advised the entire year group, close contact or not, to isolate until 10 July. This includes those already isolating since last week.
I could understand home schooling for the year group, perhaps a request to reduce mixing. But a blanket self isolate even for those who aren't contacts, and those already well into a 10 day isolate feels wrong. School/PHE have panicked in my opinion.

@Jumbojem

No admin error. There was a case late last week, 1/3 of the year isolating. A second earlier this week and a third yesterday. After 3 cases out if 180 PHE advised the entire year group, close contact or not, to isolate until 10 July. This includes those already isolating since last week. I could understand home schooling for the year group, perhaps a request to reduce mixing. But a blanket self isolate even for those who aren't contacts, and those already well into a 10 day isolate feels wrong. School/PHE have panicked in my opinion.

PHE have definitely got this one wrong, or the school have given them inaccurate information on what to base their statement on.

Those already self isolating are not contacts. I'd be willing to challenge that one if it was my child. I wouldn't be making my child isolate again if it was for a case when my child wasn't in school.

I'm challenging it as my son has not been identified as a close contact and the school's email says PHE "ask" them to self isolate as a precaution but then goes on to talk about fines. The gov website only refers to self isolation for close contacts. He's had a negative PCR this week and two negative lateral flow tests.
My friend with a son who was due out of isolation at the weekend is thinking about getting a test and then ignoring the rest of the extended isolation. Not sure how they could enforce any fine tbh.

@UnalliterativeGeorge

This thread is terrifying to read. My sister has been double vaccinated but that doesn't cancel out the fact that is she does catch covid she will still have a hugely increased risk of death from it. The amount of people saying they'd still go is appalling. Yes, it's a pain and yes, I'm as fed up as anybody else of how long this is going on for but as long as you're all alright and get your holidays.

What did your sister do during the previous winters to protect against getting the flu or other similar infections?

They can’t do any more than vaccinate the vulnerable, if they are still nervous, then they need to take measures that they see fit, but can’t expect the whole country to lockdown indefinitely .

No admin error. There was a case late last week, 1/3 of the year isolating. A second earlier this week and a third yesterday. After 3 cases out if 180 PHE advised the entire year group, close contact or not, to isolate until 10 July. This includes those already isolating since last week.

How can it not be an error? Asking people to isolate as close contacts when they have been in isolation for 9 days can only be an error. They cannot be close contacts of anyone if they have been isolating for over a week

For those quoting MH and the football , my parents always taught me two wrongs don’t make a right .

Apparently a lot of the Scottish football fans have gone down with covid and serves them right .

I know of an area where kids are being isolated and the parents are letting them play outside together . More fool them , if they bring it home and the parents get a bad bout they will be regretting that decision.

I know we will have to live with this but there is no need to be totally irresponsible and selfish . And just because someone acts like an idiot it does not mean you have to copy them .

Well done OP for making the right decision.

@Unsure33

For those quoting MH and the football , my parents always taught me two wrongs don’t make a right .

Apparently a lot of the Scottish football fans have gone down with covid and serves them right .

I know of an area where kids are being isolated and the parents are letting them play outside together . More fool them , if they bring it home and the parents get a bad bout they will be regretting that decision.

I know we will have to live with this but there is no need to be totally irresponsible and selfish . And just because someone acts like an idiot it does not mean you have to copy them .

Well done OP for making the right decision.

What an absolutely horrible thing to say, serves the Scottish supporters right for getting covid. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself. These supporters dont deserve covid anymore than anyone else.

I've never seen a nastier post here ever.

my parents always taught me two wrongs don’t make a right

Its crass old fashioned thinking like that which is currently holding the sheep in this country in thrall. Start thinking for yourself.

@memberofthewedding

my parents always taught me two wrongs don’t make a right

Its crass old fashioned thinking like that which is currently holding the sheep in this country in thrall. Start thinking for yourself.

I'm not sure if this is Poe's law in action or not.

@covidsucker what insurance policy do
You have that covers having to cancel due to self isolation? I'm looking but can only find cover for cancelling due to having Covid.

I would be going on my
Holiday I'm afraid, this is a joke now. Most people are vaccinated and the elderly and vulnerable protected so I won't be living my life like this anymore. All this testing of healthy symptomless people is absolute madness and if people still die from
Covid after they have been vaccinated there is nothing much more that can be done. People can't live hidden away forever.

All this testing of healthy symptomless people is absolute madness and if people still die from

I think you’ve missed the OP’s update. Her children aren’t symptomless now.

*What an absolutely horrible thing to say, serves the Scottish supporters right for getting covid. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself. These supporters dont deserve covid anymore than anyone else.

I've never seen a nastier post here ever.*

I disagree. These supporters broke every rule and piece of guidance going. Why do people who stick to the rules and guidance deserve covid as much as those who clearly couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves and their selfish need to travel across the UK and congregate in huge yelling mask-less masses over a game of football????