We need to cancel our U.K. break don’t we?

[covidsucker]

DTs off isolating due to a case in their primary bubble. DTs are fine with no symptoms. We are supposed to be going on holiday next week to a U.K. caravan but their isolation does not end until mid week.

We have a policy which will allow us to move it free of cost but I am so sad it’s another one cancelled

Unless you're going to be around lots of other people just go...

I would postpone but am seriously hacked off with this rule now, in our secondary its normally 70 kids miss 2 weeks of school per covid case. I originally booked first 2 weeks of school summer holidays for our holiday then realised about this rule and paid £35 to move it to later in school holidays but so annoying esp as we will now probably have rain every day. DN is in France and they don't have this there according to DH.

@Watapalava

I wouldn’t test unless symptoms

It’s becoming ridiculous now

People are vaccinated

Kids aren't vaccinated.

I don’t understand the argument that vulnerable kids and vulnerable adults mean that healthy people still have to isolate. How’s the situation going to be different on 19th July? Vulnerable kids still won’t be vaxxed. A few adults who are double vaxxed will still have the possibility of getting really ill. And covid will still be in circulation, particularly as 16 and under are not vaxxed at all. The only change between now and then will be a few more of the 20’s group being vaxxed.

And what if you’re a close contact on 18th July? Do you have to isolate until 30th?

[quote Chillychangchoo]@Covidworries

Have you even seen the footage on sky news of the football tonight? Thousands of men hugging each other.

I mean brill whatever floats your boat and all that jazz but really?? Following the rules at this stage is an absolute MUGS game.

It’s over.[/quote]
I dont bloody care about the football. Its stupid it was allowed to happen but I continue to be sensible so that I dont cause further sickness and deaths just so i can have a jolly.
I can tell you this LA are having meetings this week because in prep for the next lockdown because cases are rising prob because people like you arent MUGS and dont give too hoots about others

@lemons1571
To.my understanding the isolation for stmptoms, positive test or contact with a positive case will continue after 19th July ?!?
Other rules are meant to be relaxed but i havent seen anything to suggest wr can merrily go about couthing on people after a positive test? I may be wrong through so a link would be good

I would absolutely go. We are going to have to live with this now. We can't all hide away for ever. I absolutely would not cancel but I would do a couple of tests

Do the right thing. The kids will be mortified if you don't.

I would isolate too. My dd2 caught Covid at nursery last Dec. She only had a runny nose and a nighttime cough. I caught it from her.

From your seating explanation it sounds like DT2 could be a very close contact. It's not worth the risk.

Hope you are able to change dates ok.

I think the football thing as well is different in that in theory everyone has been tested and is negative (that’s the hope)
OP has two children who have been in contact with a positive case. She doesn’t say how close either
The chances therefore of one of them being positive is much higher than someone at the football
Now arguably a PCR test now halfway through it should give an indication of that

This thread is terrifying to read. My sister has been double vaccinated but that doesn't cancel out the fact that is she does catch covid she will still have a hugely increased risk of death from it. The amount of people saying they'd still go is appalling. Yes, it's a pain and yes, I'm as fed up as anybody else of how long this is going on for but as long as you're all alright and get your holidays.

Ugh it’s so annoying and initially I would’ve said go
But if it’s a holiday with lots of communal stuff, AND school are going to know you went then I would move it I think.

Or find out what the testing rules are for people who are allowed to test and end isolation early. Is if 5 days and pcr test? But as you say would be a gamble if they tested positive

The Op is going self catering, it's not like they'll be in a hotel sitting next to random people in a restaurant.

Where is the extra risk as long as they are very careful with social distancing, especially in the first few days.

People saying cancel are missing that it might not be easy to rebook and reorganise time off work later in summer.

4% risk the kid will have covid. Testing and being careful should minimise the risk to others.

Suggestions to just carry on is why cases are rising so rapidly in the UK. More than 40 per cent of those hospitalised by Delta are vaccinated, just following the rules iscthe fasted way out of this for everyone

@Covidworries

"I dont bloody care about the football. Its stupid it was allowed to happen but I continue to be sensible so that I dont cause further sickness and deaths just so i can have a jolly.
I can tell you this LA are having meetings this week because in prep for the next lockdown because cases are rising prob because people like you arent MUGS and dont give too hoots about others"

1. You need to see a doctor about your anxiety.

1. At the football people were tested - you cannot pass on covid if you don't have it.

1. Have you seen a doctor about your anxieties?

1. Cases of covid are rising but hospital cases and deaths are not rising in line with that. It's no longer serious enough to keeep having lock downs.

1. Have you seen your doctor yet about your anxieties?

@UnalliterativeGeorge

This thread is terrifying to read. My sister has been double vaccinated but that doesn't cancel out the fact that is she does catch covid she will still have a hugely increased risk of death from it. The amount of people saying they'd still go is appalling. Yes, it's a pain and yes, I'm as fed up as anybody else of how long this is going on for but as long as you're all alright and get your holidays.

So when do you think we can all carry on as before covid then? When do you think we should stop this isolating of healthy people? When do you think freedom should be restored?

Covid is going no-where. We have to live with it just like we live with other viruses/bacterial infections/diseases/etc

@Covidworries

Your LA are having prep for more lockdowns? Well fuckinghell that would make me want to go even more. May as well have some fun whilst you can.

Kids have suffered enough I would go on that holiday and enjoy myself.

People have had the chance to be vaccinated.

I don’t care anymore but if you do then good for you.

@aliceliveshere
Oh do fuck off that was in response to people saying they would go regardless to the fact they are meant to be isolating.

Its comon decency not to go away knowing you are meant to be isolating after close contact with a positive case.

So no i havent seen a doctor about my understanding of how covid spreads or my emphathy and concern for others not to cough in their face knowing im meant to be isolating.

Sadly fir you their is no cure for twatness

They are having to prep because of the spread increasing sur to people ignoring isolation requirements and going merrily around when meant to be in isolation

@Watapalava

100% of those making up 99% hospitalisations and deaths have had chance to be double vaccinated tho!

Which is good. However, small risk of long CoVid and maintaining high levels of virus in the community that could cause a new vaccine resistant mutation remains.

@UnalliterativeGeorge

This thread is terrifying to read. My sister has been double vaccinated but that doesn't cancel out the fact that is she does catch covid she will still have a hugely increased risk of death from it. The amount of people saying they'd still go is appalling. Yes, it's a pain and yes, I'm as fed up as anybody else of how long this is going on for but as long as you're all alright and get your holidays.

Whilst it is sad for your sister it is a risk she is going to have to deal with. She has been double vaccinated as have over 60% of the adult population. We cannot keep people locked away forever. The risk of catching covid will always be there just as it’s there for flu and other nasty viruses. I wish the government would stop publishing daily cases and just concentrate on hospitalisation and deaths. The obsession with cases is the main issue. We could have 1 million cases a day but if numbers in hospital and deaths remain low what does it matter. Before anyone jumps on me for this yes I have had covid and am 50. I was fine. I work in a school and 1/3 of our staff have now had covid. Everyone has been fine. Some were more unwell than others. The worst had a further 2 weeks off work after the 10 day isolation ended. The rest of us were back in work the day after isolation ended. Go on your holiday op. Children have suffered enough.

Nightmare OP.
I’m going to keep my foster kids off school the last two weeks of term precisely to avoid this.
Which I know isn’t ‘right’ but it will be the first holiday they’ve ever had and they ain’t spending it self isolating.

News reports today suggest contact isolation is stopping July 19th for vaccinated people and kids will be tested daily from Sept and not isolate. You should go because the only reason kids cant avoid isolation from July 19 is because they're not in school

Of course those dying will be vaccinated - 84% country have been vaccinated at least once. When 100% of country are vaccinated, 100% of deaths will be in vaccinated people- that's how it works - but the numbers will be massively reduced which is exactly what we are seeing now.

Do people think the 20,000 flu deaths we have happen to be in unvaccinated people? they're likely all vaccinated as non vulnerable people aren't offered flu jab and never heard of any of them dying in significant numbers of flu

If you are self catering I would be tempted to lateral flow test a couple of times then go, but keep them in /walks in middle of nowhere until the period is up. Don't think school bubbles is statutory?