Pfizer approved for 12-15 year olds

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Just seen this.
The UK regulator has said the benefits outweigh the risks in giving it to 12-15yo.

Would you let your child have it? I'm very conflicted on this.

My 13 and 14 year olds will be having it.

Do you not understand that this is a new vaccine all together? This includes Pfizer, AZ, moderna and the others.

The AZ isn't new. It's based on work the Oxford team was already doing. When they received the genetic code for the coronavirus, they just had to adapt it. Oxford vaccine: How did they make it so quickly? BBC

Here’s some Pfizer adverse reaction data for you @ZZTopGuitarSolo Also a recent Harvard study (but don’t trust those idiots) stated that less than 1% of vaccine adverse reactions are even reported (or better yet acknowledged as it’s always just another coincidence nothing to do with a vaccine of course) no one knows how a child’s body will react to these spike proteins. What if the adverse reactions are worse than in adults? The data from the trials* in the US for children is also shocking, including heart damage. Just why? I just can’t understand the logic of these parents.

And even then I'll let those who are super keen offer their kids up for the experiment first. I feel so sorry for their children tbh. But glad I’m not alone in my thinking.

@UserEleventyNine In the entire history of vaccines this type of vaccine has never been injected into people. They may have been “working” on it for a while but it’s new to the population.

@UserEleventyNine Exactly my point. It’s a spike protein never before be used in any vaccine schedule.

@UserEleventyNine No one knows the true effect of these spike proteins in the body, how long they last or what effect they have on long term health let alone how they could effect children who are still developing.

@goodmorningsunshine7

Here’s some Pfizer adverse reaction data for you *@ZZTopGuitarSolo Also a recent Harvard study (but don’t trust those idiots) stated that less than 1% of vaccine adverse reactions are even reported (or better yet acknowledged as it’s always just another coincidence nothing to do with a vaccine of course) no one knows how a child’s body will react to these spike proteins. What if the adverse reactions are worse than in adults? The data from the trials** in the US for children is also shocking, including heart damage. Just why? I just can’t understand the logic of these parents.

And even then I'll let those who are super keen offer their kids up for the experiment first. I feel so sorry for their children tbh. But glad I’m not alone in my thinking.

Someday your child might benefit from my child being part of an experiment. In paediatrics there is quite a lot of medication dosages etc used off licence. So I don't understand why you feel sorry for these kids. I feel sorry for the children of parents who are so narrow minded.

The kids offered up for experimentation are likely to suffer side effects- into the future ... Does it need spelling out why goodmorning might feel sorry for them?

@Dustyboots

The kids offered up for experimentation are likely to suffer side effects- into the future ... Does it need spelling out why goodmorning might feel sorry for them?

As well as the kids who contract covid who may well suffer as a result of that later down the line. I have experience in this as my own DC who is ecv now is only that way because of a damn virus, they were one of the 'healthy' ones before that. So no I don't feel sorry for the children's who's parents feel they should offer them protection against the as yet unknowns of covid itself.

@jumpbounce And you just called me narrow minded? I would rather my child not benefit from the death or injury of another child if given the choice.

Who tells their child to just “take one for the team” to potentially protect others. I’m sorry but that goes against every single one of my motherly instincts.

[quote goodmorningsunshine7]@jumpbounce And you just called me narrow minded? I would rather my child not benefit from the death or injury of another child if given the choice.

Who tells their child to just “take one for the team” to potentially protect others. I’m sorry but that goes against every single one of my motherly instincts.[/quote]
No one tells their child to take one for the team...but you do you.
We are involved in multidisciplinary teams of paediatricians who are warning, infact some have even been in the mainstream media, about long term impacts of covid on children and many studies are currently underway....many of these outcomes are similar to with other viruses the main difference being that these other viruses aren't spreading through entire populations of children, the way covid is right now, so only time will tell how many children come out of this with long term health conditions as a result of contracting covid.

I don't think that people shouldn't question the vaccine because of course they should but rather question than just from the outset think that you are right because you are saying no absolultely not under any circumstances and the rest of the parents choosing to offer protection are just using their children for an experiment.

It's a good job we have people willing to be the experiment otherwise treatments and healthcare might not be quite as good as it is today. I don't see too many people refusing to reap the benefits all the same.

[quote SallyBasingstoke]@jumpbounce you want all kids to take the vaccine because of your personal experiences and circumstances with yourself and child. By definition that is selfish where you are so blinkered you don't look beyond your own family- accept other families are different and choose different options. You're like that mad neighbour we all have that thinks it is ok to go out Sunday morning at 6 am with a lawnmower assuming because it suits you, it suits everyone else.

You speak about the unknown effect of covid, yet hardly any children have died of it so throw out " long covid " which is an ambiguous condition that is defined as " fatigue etc " that millions would have after any virus or due to other health issues... conveniently you ignore the fatal blood clots from vaccines which is medically proven with raw data. Many people find your stance bizarre but like the lawnmower guy, you can't see it as you're blinkered to your own circumstances[/quote]
Your child not having the vaccine has no impact on mine because mine will be vaccinated and therefore at less risk of serious illness from covid so it really doesn't bother me although I do feel for the children who will end up in a situation like my own child which is potentially avoidable with the vaccine.

But I've seen many people like yourself who think your child is invincible and take their health for granted and would eat my hat if you weren't one of the first to be complaining whenever it's YOUR child who has long covid, diabetes or myocarditis as a result of covid that the government didn't do enough to protect your child
Look beyond the mainstream media and you will find blood clots in children as a result of covid as well and in asymptomatic children.

Setting the bar for your child's health at 'as long as they don't die' is a low bar to set. There is a lot in-between being completely healthy and dead. A lot of it is not anything you would want for your child.

everybodysang
definitely would allow. But we should NOT be vaccinating children while other countries are so low on vaccines. We need to make sure they are distributed equally first so that elderly/essential workers are vaccinated throughout the world before we consider a child vaccination programme.

But isn't the Pfizer jab more difficult to use as part of a mass-vaccination programme, particularly in the developing world? It occurs to me that we have almost finished full vaccinating all of the age groups which the JCVI is happy to use AZ on. We should therefore be in the position soon to start exporting AZ doses en masse to the developing world while using Pfizer to complete our own vaccination programme.

That's a very good point @DdraigGoch and does change my position on it - if that is indeed the case then I'll be more than happy for children to be vaccinated. I do understand concerns - of course I do! - but would be happy for my child to be protected.

As with every Covid thread, I think it's worth remembering that not every anti-vaccination poster will be posting in good faith.

Studies in US and Israel found kids suffered same side affects as adults inc fly and fever type symptoms

These side effects are worse alone than what almost all kids suffer with covid it’s a no brainer

My 14 yr old will be having it. He wanted to do the trials but they were too far away. His choice.

My children are much younger but I wouldn't be comfortable giving them the jab just yet if it was offered. Me and DH have had ours but the risk to children appears much less so I don't think I'd vaccinate them just yet.

@Watapalava

Studies in US and Israel found kids suffered same side affects as adults inc fly and fever type symptoms

These side effects are worse alone than what almost all kids suffer with covid it’s a no brainer

Are you just looking at death and hospitalisations though? There are studies reporting a high prevalence of long covid in children.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/

Long covid is no different than other post viral fatigue

It’s over emphasised on Mumsnet

National figures are very low

@Watapalava

Long covid is no different than other post viral fatigue

It’s over emphasised on Mumsnet

National figures are very low

Oh can you share those? Thanks.