Pfizer approved for 12-15 year olds

[LimeAndLemons]

Just seen this.
The UK regulator has said the benefits outweigh the risks in giving it to 12-15yo.

Would you let your child have it? I'm very conflicted on this.

No chance.

Not at the moment.

There are a lot of people on here saying they won't be allowing it for 14, 15, 16 years olds. Perhaps you should look at the issue of medical consent in the UK. A child as young as 12 can consent to any medical treatment for themselves. They can do this against parents wishes if they are deemed Gillick Competent. The vast majority of 12 to 16 year olds would be deemed as such.
You may not have a say in the matter if teh child wishes to be vaccinated. Although medical professionals will always try and encourage communication with parents. If the child is competent, over the age of 12 then the choice is very much their own.

The information is out there and easily accessible if any parent actually chooses to research. These are official papers, studies and sites. Go and check VAERS website for adverse reactions / deaths from all of the Covid vaccines in the UK. No child should be given this vaccine

@everybodysang

definitely would allow. But we should NOT be vaccinating children while other countries are so low on vaccines. We need to make sure they are distributed equally first so that elderly/essential workers are vaccinated throughout the world before we consider a child vaccination programme.

But isn't the Pfizer jab more difficult to use as part of a mass-vaccination programme, particularly in the developing world? It occurs to me that we have almost finished full vaccinating all of the age groups which the JCVI is happy to use AZ on. We should therefore be in the position soon to start exporting AZ doses en masse to the developing world while using Pfizer to complete our own vaccination programme.

Just been discussing this with 14 year old DD, we are in agreement that she won’t be having it any time soon. I just don’t feel comfortable with her having it. I’ve had both Pfizer vaccinations but it doesn’t sit right with me vaccinating a group of people who are at very little risk.

My oldest is 21 and he has had his first dose of AZ, he had it 2 days before they stopped giving it to his age group...he doesn’t know if he’s going to have the 2nd dose now.

It is an area of the vaccination programme that I would not mind the UK being behind just for more data before it’s rolled out. I was hoping for novavax for children just as it’s old science.

@goodmorningsunshine7

The information is out there and easily accessible if any parent actually chooses to research. These are official papers, studies and sites. Go and check VAERS website for adverse reactions / deaths from all of the Covid vaccines in the UK. No child should be given this vaccine

You did not give a source for your images but given that one says it's for the AZ I'll assume the others were too.

If you're going to post selective screenshots from unnamed sources then perhaps at least try to make sure they're about Pfizer, which is the vaccine that has been approved, not AZ which has not?

@rainbowunicorn

There are a lot of people on here saying they won't be allowing it for 14, 15, 16 years olds. Perhaps you should look at the issue of medical consent in the UK. A child as young as 12 can consent to any medical treatment for themselves. They can do this against parents wishes if they are deemed Gillick Competent. The vast majority of 12 to 16 year olds would be deemed as such. You may not have a say in the matter if teh child wishes to be vaccinated. Although medical professionals will always try and encourage communication with parents. If the child is competent, over the age of 12 then the choice is very much their own.

Yep, the vaccine bumph I get from my kids high school basically says that even if the parent declines consent the child will be offered the vaccine and will be able to override their parents wishes

It's already approved in Europe and in Italy where I am they are vaccinating the 12 year olds ahead of the 28 year olds in time for the new school year. You've been warned! I wouldn't. My kids had it and barely noticed it. I reckon for them it is better to actually get it!

I think we'll finally start vaccinating kids once the next variant comes along that's been cooked up amongst unvaccinated children and affects them badly. It takes that much for lots of people to move their thinking along.

No way.

Thankfully others are standing up for our kids . The piece about coercion in school is also extremely concerning. How , anyone can read this and think it’s full ok to inject kids is beyond me

www.hartgroup.org/open-letter-child-vaccination/

Ofcourse not. Why would my 12 year old need this? Their risk of being seriously ill if they caught covid is so low it's basically zero. I think there's been 40 children die from covid, 37 of which had other health issues.

Reminder to all that the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission.

@ZZTopGuitarSolo Here’s your source. It’s the same for all of the vaccines manufactures. No data or long term studies as it’s still in trail until 2023! How difficult is it to understand? Why would any logical parent inject their child with a trail vaccine not knowing if it could effect their fertility or worse? Truly shocking.

[quote goodmorningsunshine7]@ZZTopGuitarSolo Here’s your source. It’s the same for all of the vaccines manufactures. No data or long term studies as it’s still in trail until 2023! How difficult is it to understand? Why would any logical parent inject their child with a trail vaccine not knowing if it could effect their fertility or worse? Truly shocking.[/quote]
More screenshots about the AZ vaccine, which we all know has not been approved for use in adolescents. They're not all at the same stage.

BTW I think you mean 'trial' not 'trail'.

Reminder to all that the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission.

The CDC disagrees, but maybe you know more than they do?

No i won't be agreeing to them having it and they don't want it anyway

@ZZTopGuitarSolo

Reminder to all that the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission.

The CDC disagrees, but maybe you know more than they do?

Do you know what the take up is in US or your area?

I feel like this thread is quite anti not sure how indicative that is or would be

ZZ your in USA your comments come from people who literally will vaccinate for anything

Just because we can vaccine doesn’t mean it’s right decision

Uk gov have spent last 12 months telling us risk to kids is negligible

No healthy kids on 12-15 have died in UK

Now they want us to vaccinate to basically help control virus cos a shit load of eligible people can’t be arsed?!

That’s the reality!

Bolton PH calling for it cos there’s certain groups there where vaccine uptake is 40% in some postcodes - sort their own shit out before asking kids to carry the can with a vaccine that’s new

I’m not against vaccines

I couldn’t wait to get my AZ one. I’m early 40s and have no regrets despite 3 healthy people my age dying nationally of blood clots the last week. I did it because, despite clot risk, I also know covid is bigger risk to me

It’s pure bull shit to say any vaccine out weighs kids risks and gov are going to have a huge challenge here trying to unwind 12 months of reassurance

Vaccine may come with 1:3 million chance of clots

But that’s still MORE than risk or covid!!! Plus most have prob had it or at least been exposed

No one worries for kids and covid unless CEV and I agree their balance may be in favour but healthy kids is ridiculous

Do you know what the take up is in US or your area?

Well... take-up is highest in the highest income, more educated areas, even though the vaccine has been been made very easily available throughout the stage.

60% of over 12s in my state are fully vaccinated.

In towns like mine, with a lot of doctors among the residents, over 90% of the whole population are fully vaccinated.

Around 30,000 12-19 year olds in my state have been vaccinated - which is about 15% of that age group. Vaccinations for those groups have only been going for a few weeks.

We've had some breakthrough cases among vaccinated people, 4 of whom have died, illustrating why we still need herd immunity. I doubt we'll reach it as there are too many Trump supporting types who will point blank refuse the vaccine.

The vast majority of people in hospital with Covid are unvaccinated.

Yes, my dc have had all of the vaccines recommended by the relative health bodies. Despite being science literate, I will absolutely defer to their superior knowledge about vaccines in terms of risk v benefit.

I would too, @Umbongoumbongo999

@ZZTopGuitarSolo It’s approved for emergency use only as it hasn’t finished clinical trails* yet (). Emergency use during a pandemic. Do you not understand that this is a new vaccine all together? This includes Pfizer, AZ, moderna and the others. It’s not an isolated virus and doesn’t work how traditional vaccines work, includes no COV19 so none of the manufactures have any long term studies or data... understand? Gosh it’s not even known until autumn when cases rise again if these vaccines even protect against Covid so why take any risk with a child?

Gosh it’s not even known until autumn when cases rise again if these vaccines even protect against Covid so why take any risk with a child?

I think we might know sooner than that. Cases have risen by 40% in this last week alone.

I'll be waiting too though to see if the vaccines work before taking risks with my child. And even then I'll let those who are super keen offer their kids up for the experiment first.