Pfizer approved for 12-15 year olds

[LimeAndLemons]

Just seen this.
The UK regulator has said the benefits outweigh the risks in giving it to 12-15yo.

Would you let your child have it? I'm very conflicted on this.

@Dustyboots

I know so many people who've been vaccinated and been seriously ill - signed off work/in hospital and all sorts.

I'd think I was surrounded by unlucky people but reading on here - multiple threads and stories of people the same. And they all think they're unlucky too.

Do those of you willing to offer your kids up for experimentation think that teenagers are immune to these side effects (many of which are horrific)? Or are you somehow oblivious to them?

I suppose this is really the crux, and depends entirely on each persons experience within their family and friendship group as to how they view the risks of Covid.

I know several people who have had covid.

The two eldest died, one was very poorly anyway, the other had no other health problems apart form being old. They both died very quickly from contracting it.

Others in their 50's, generally very healthy, have had either month long and serious conditions, inc. in hospital, or several weeks at home. A couple just had mild symptoms.

Those younger, in their 20's and 30's generally had mild symptoms, but one has proper long Covid, and has not been able to work for 6 months. Several were junior doctors and care home staff.

All those I know in their 20's will be having their shots, but then perhaps as most of them have seen the consequences of NOT having it, they are prepared to accept the vaccine risk. They saw people the age of their parents die, so I suppose that focuses the mind.

Sorry, I mean to add in addition to those I know who have had Covid and their various outcomes.

All those who have had the vaccine had no serious side effects at all, at any age, and of any vaccine. Just the normal couple of days of sore arm, and slight temp.

So, the effects that I have observed, in my own sphere, is that the risk of Covid is much worse the vaccine.

@Watapalava

Long covid is no different than other post viral fatigue

It’s over emphasised on Mumsnet

National figures are very low

I'd be very keen to see this evidence as well. Post viral illness is a lot more significant than just 'fatigue' however in some cases it can just be fatigue but there is a whole range of symptoms ranging in severity.

My 16 year old DS has had both his Pfizer jabs and I am very happy. He is just out of the age range the OP mentioned but only just.

[quote SallyBasingstoke]@jumpbounce you say "Look beyond the mainstream media and you will find blood clots in children as a result of covid as well and in asymptomatic children."

I dont know any, sounds like more fake news trying to terrify people into vaccinating children to me. Your children vaccinated for a disease they are at next to no risk for but at risk of potentially lethal blood clots and other symptoms from vaccines is an illogical stance. Why is substituting one set of risks "safer " than the other?[/quote]
'Sounds like fake news'...you can believe what you wish. If you Google you will find indepth medical studies. It is not at a high rate but neither is that of the vaccine.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/4june2021

Theres the figures - quick google anyone could do

1.6%
Mostly found middle aged working women
Main symptoms fatigue
Long covid is anything lasting over 4 weeks

Let’s face it most of us are knackered at best of times

Mostly healthcare professionals

I’m sure there are some genuine cases - most are prob just suffering normal post viral fatigue or lockdown exhaustion from working wnd homeschooling

Apart from the most serious (not that high really) the symptoms are way too vague to put any emphasis on

Funny how I only ever hear the term “long Covid” on mumsnet. Some people are just so set in their ways they refuse to question their held beliefs even for the sake of their children.

Of course it fake news unless it fit your views.

A year older and ds would have been vaccinated alongside me in group 6 so yes he will having it.

@SallyBasingstoke

I'll go on actual released medical data on child mortality rates than hunting around on " google or facebook" as you say for someone spreading more irrational fear. I'm sure if I googled satanic 3 headed mongoose there would be evidence of it somewhere from some crackpot *@jumpbounce*

There is access to medical journals via Google you know I don't mean to read news articles but you will find many studies published in medical journals from across the UK and around the world.

@SallyBasingstoke

I'll go on actual released medical data on child mortality rates than hunting around on " google or facebook" as you say for someone spreading more irrational fear. I'm sure if I googled satanic 3 headed mongoose there would be evidence of it somewhere from some crackpot *@jumpbounce*

Most children with acute COVID-19 have mild disease, but coagulopathy has been associated with multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), a post-infectious complication. We conducted a multicenter retrospective cohort study to determine the incidence of thrombosis in children hospitalized with COVID-19 or MIS-C and to evaluate associated risk factors. We classified patients into one of three groups for analysis: COVID-19, MIS-C, or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2. Among a total of 853 admissions (426 COVID-19, 138 MIS-C, and 289 asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2) in 814 patients, there were 20 patients with thrombotic events (TE) (including 1 stroke). Patients with MIS-C had the highest incidence (6.5%, 9/138) versus COVID-19 (2.1%, 9/426) or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 (0.7%, 2/289). In patients with COVID-19 or MIS-C, the majority of thrombotic events (89%) occurred in patients ≥12 years. Patients > 12 years with MIS-C had the highest rate of thrombosis at 19% (9/48). Notably, 71% of TE that were not present on admission occurred despite thromboprophylaxis.

Low levels but still lower than that of the vaccine.
As my child is under one of the top paediatric cardiology teams in the UK and we spend a lot of time on a hospital ward we initialled heard of it via our own team. Thankfully its not overly concerning as it is in low numbers but then so is the 7 children impacted by the vaccine yet people are freaking the hell out over that but not over the risk of it with covid itself whenever it is essentially the same risk.

Funny how I only ever hear the term “long Covid” on mumsnet.

If you only read one book, that's all you'll know? The rest of us have read about it on just about every news outlet going.

@Watapalava

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/4june2021

Theres the figures - quick google anyone could do

1.6%
Mostly found middle aged working women
Main symptoms fatigue
Long covid is anything lasting over 4 weeks

Let’s face it most of us are knackered at best of times

A million people in the UK have long Covid.

Wow.

I had no idea the number was so high.

376,000 people still have symptoms 12 months later.

Jeez.

what 376,000 middle aged women knackered 12 month later? yes im one of them and i haven't even had covid!

large proportion also healthcare so have juggled home school and work throughout - i'm not surprised they're knackered - who's to say its even long covid - my 13 year old could design a better experiment.

@Watapalava

what 376,000 middle aged women knackered 12 month later? yes im one of them and i haven't even had covid!

large proportion also healthcare so have juggled home school and work throughout - i'm not surprised they're knackered - who's to say its even long covid - my 13 year old could design a better experiment.

I hope you aren't a health care worker involved in dealing with chronic fatigue. There is quite a difference in being knackered and suffering from chronic fatigue and far too many people minimise the impacts of it. I am a parent of young children and I am constantly knackered as you describe. I have a friend in similar circumstances to me but suffers from chronic fatigue and it is incredibly debilitating for her and impacts on every aspect of her life.

Fully vaccinated teenager. Had already said no to this jab.

i agree jump bounce

these are not CF diagnoses

these are people responding to a quesionnaire - not even face to face exam and then diagnosed with long covid. who's to say half of them are even long covid is my point.

I know someone who has developed MS And sight issues from having the vaccine

@Watapalava

i agree jump bounce

these are not CF diagnoses

these are people responding to a quesionnaire - not even face to face exam and then diagnosed with long covid. who's to say half of them are even long covid is my point.

Well we don't know and won't know the true impact of covid for a long time to come however If I was to do a study right now I wouldn't be ticking that I had new fatigue because I haven't and have just always had the usual knackered so I would presume most people would know if this was new and unusual for them rather than they feel the same as they did in 2019.

@Remmy123

I know someone who has developed MS And sight issues from having the vaccine

Michael aRosen has sight and hearing issues from the disease 🤷‍♀️

I was interested in Watapalava's assumption that people don't really have long Covid, and are just 'a bit knackered' like the rest of us. It didn't really seemed to be based on any actual science or research.

The logical thing seemed to be to look for research or studies that compared infected people with uninfected people. Here's one from April 1st.

medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-covid-uk.html

Nearly one in seven Britons who tested positive for COVID-19 continued to have symptoms for at least 12 weeks, according to a UK study released Thursday.

The study of UK patients was based on a random sample of 21,622 participants who tested positive from swabs and were asked about their symptoms monthly.

A control group who were unlikely to have been infected was also set up.

It found they were eight times less likely to have such symptoms.

My dd got covid last year she was 15 has lung scarring as a result. That’s long covid, not feeling a bit tired after having had the virus.

A friend also has lung scaring which causes fatigue as she’s not able to breathe properly because of it and it’s causing her weakness and exhaustion. She was diagnosed with long covid after the X-ray showing the scarring.

I’m relieved my eldest DC has had her first Pfizer dose.