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Deaths aren't increasing

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cripez · 21/05/2021 17:22

Please please jump in and correct me on this if I'm being thick, but as a general rule even though cases are rising, deaths aren't.

Surely this is proof of vaccines working and therefore a good thing?

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Wherediditgo · 27/06/2021 15:07

*people not propel

PrincessNutNuts · 27/06/2021 21:55

@Wherediditgo

Princess I was with you until your last sentence. Not sure who you aimed that at but I can assure you, I do have common sense and would not think those propel ‘were just about to die anyway’

I think people may just take all your countless posts a little more seriously if you weren’t so disparaging and condescending to others.

Apologies, I didn't intend any rudeness I just phrased it badly.

I still can't think of a good way to say that you don't need excess death numbers to know extra deaths are happening because there have recently been covid deaths in all the young age groups including 0-9, 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49 and so on.

Wherediditgo · 27/06/2021 22:18

Princess
I think you’ve found it Smile

Generally just wanting to know a bit more and what you’re saying makes sense.

PrincessNutNuts · 27/06/2021 23:04

@Wherediditgo

Princess I think you’ve found it Smile

Generally just wanting to know a bit more and what you’re saying makes sense.

Ok good. Thank you for being gracious.
AlecTrevelyan006 · 04/07/2021 17:32

15 deaths reported today - 11 last Sunday

122 deaths reported in the last seven days (down two on previous)

Whatever9999 · 04/07/2021 17:34

Even better rather than increasing we've had 2 days where the weekly average has reduced.

Deaths aren't increasing
Thelm · 04/07/2021 17:39

I’m really pleased that deaths aren’t increasing. I hope this continues.

Delatron · 04/07/2021 17:47

When are we accepting the vaccines are working and the increase in cases is not leading to an increase in deaths?

Surely now?!

Until someone pops on and says ‘ooh give it another few weeks’

Chillychangchoo · 04/07/2021 18:18

@Delatron

Give it another year and then we will really know. Grin

Delatron · 04/07/2021 18:24

Ha yeah @Chillychangchoo I’m half expecting that! Just a few more months, just another year. Blah blah blah.

Chillychangchoo · 04/07/2021 19:35

@Delatron

Deaths aren't increasing
Nerdygirl · 04/07/2021 20:17

Looks like this year and last year follow similar trajectory’s and we didn’t have vaccines so given that there are quite a number of vaccinated dying of covid then it’s hard to see if it’s seasonality or vaccine related

Deaths aren't increasing
Cafeaulait27 · 04/07/2021 20:30

@Nerdygirl last summer cases went right down, we didn’t have a new more transmissible variant.

This time we have the delta variant and cases are high - but it’s not translating into deaths.

Last time we had this many cases (late September I think) we were having 100s of deaths a day.

This time you can see on the graphs that infections and deaths are diverging, in that infections are rising but deaths aren’t. This is due to the vaccine

Cafeaulait27 · 05/07/2021 16:09

9 deaths today

StarCat2020 · 05/07/2021 16:44

Hospitalisation data has not been updated for a few days - Why?

Also cases started to increase wildly a couple of weeks ago and now we have the associated increase in hospitalisations, yet people are talking about deaths not increasing and ignoring the concept of the lag between the cases, hospitalisations and deaths?

Cafeaulait27 · 05/07/2021 16:53

@StarCat2020 hospitalisations aren’t increasing at the rate they did before vaccines, and by now (we’ve had a month of cases increasing due to delta) we would normally be seeing a much larger amount of deaths, as I understand it x

StarCat2020 · 05/07/2021 16:59

@StarCat2020 hospitalisations aren’t increasing at the rate they did before vaccines, and by now (we’ve had a month of cases increasing due to delta) we would normally be seeing a much larger amount of deaths, as I understand it x

I have just heard that on the BBC News but looking at the dashboard stats isn't showing that.

I just hope that I am wrong and there is a different outcome this time.

Delatron · 05/07/2021 17:23

We would have seen an increase in deaths now. There has been time for the lag to kick in and it hasn’t.

PrincessNutNuts · 07/07/2021 00:29

From The Telegraph:

Deaths aren't increasing
Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 07/07/2021 00:33

All the way through this people have been unable to grasp the lag.

I honestly think some people think you test positive, get rushed to hospital the same day and die.

Today's deaths would have been from around a month ago. For those who they've actively treated anyway.
They're bound to go up. It is simple maths.

Delatron · 07/07/2021 09:32

Without vaccines we would be seeing huge numbers of deaths now with this amount of cases. Vaccines are working very well, hence opening up.

They’ll go up slightly but stay low as a proportion of cases. We’ll be nowhere near the 1,000 deaths a day.

Cafeaulait27 · 07/07/2021 16:07

@Carrotcakeforbreakfast I think what people are saying is that without the vaccine deaths would be much higher now, even with the lag

PrincessNutNuts · 07/07/2021 17:40

@Delatron

When are we accepting the vaccines are working and the increase in cases is not leading to an increase in deaths?

Surely now?!

Until someone pops on and says ‘ooh give it another few weeks’

I did that a few weeks ago...
Deaths aren't increasing
PrincessNutNuts · 07/07/2021 17:44

@Carrotcakeforbreakfast

All the way through this people have been unable to grasp the lag.

I honestly think some people think you test positive, get rushed to hospital the same day and die.

Today's deaths would have been from around a month ago. For those who they've actively treated anyway.
They're bound to go up. It is simple maths.

To be fair, the lag while Delta got into its stride was hard to call.

I knew more cases would inevitably lead to more hospital admissions and more deaths but I was not entirely clear when it would become incontrovertibly apparent.

MarshaBradyo · 07/07/2021 17:46

@Carrotcakeforbreakfast

All the way through this people have been unable to grasp the lag.

I honestly think some people think you test positive, get rushed to hospital the same day and die.

Today's deaths would have been from around a month ago. For those who they've actively treated anyway.
They're bound to go up. It is simple maths.

People get the lag. Of course they know it doesn’t happen in a day.

You get the weakening of the link due to the vaccine though?

Also vaccine take up higher in older age groups etc