School pupils vaccinated from September

[Totalbeach]

This is in lots of papers today. Such as:

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19274021.secondary-school-pupils-set-get-covid-jab-september/

And:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/nhs-england-draws-up-plan-to-give-covid-jabs-to-children-12-and-over

What’s your reaction?

Mine is that I 100% won’t be allowing my children to be vaccinated.

In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all.

The government has assured us till they are blue in the face that schools are safe and that children don’t spread it so it will be interesting to see what kind of enormous gaslighting they attempt to pull off to persuade parents they now need to vaccinate their kids.

The long term effects of the vaccines are totally unknown and recent events with AZ have proved rather horribly that even after a vaccine is rolled out, serious effects can come to light. Including events that disproportionately affect certain age groups.

I’m fully vaccinated (including first Covid vaccine) as are my kids but there is no way I’d let them be vaccinated in September. With any of the vaccines.

Its not all about the mortality rate. You've already allowed your child to be vaccinated against non killer illness.
Noone knows the real long term effects of Covid. The kids can get long term Covid too.

Its also about children getting as much education as possible. Not taking time put because there's a child with Covid in their class...

Also if a swathe of the population is unvaccinated then the virus can run free in it, potentially leading to new variants which may or may not be controlled by the existing vaccines. Surely it’s better to squash the current variants across as much of the population at possible now?

If we lives in Aus or NZ and our government were closely controlling our borders id accept that this is a valid argument. But the virus is running riot in other parts of the world and our government are notoriously terrible at border control and track & trace. I think it’s highly likely that future variants will come from outside the U.K., not from the spread between unvaccinated U.K. kids. And remember, the government already told us kids don’t spread it between them much anyway...

I don't really believe you're just interested if I'm honest, if you were you would have started the post from a neutral position but you didn't. You came at it from a very clear "this is a bad idea and I can't understand why anyone else would be such a shit parent as to expose their child to this risk" position.

@Totalbeach I’m with you and will not be encouraging my children to be vaccinated.

I agree it’s about risk versus benefit, and their risks are tiny. No one knows for sure the long-term effects of such new vaccines.

Its also about children getting as much education as possible. Not taking time put because there's a child with Covid in their class...

Surely the answer to this is stop freezing entire classes just because one kid gets a virus that isn’t serious in kids, in a country with a vaccinated adult population? In the same way we don’t send everyone home if someone has chicken pox.

I am still weighing up the data, at the moment unless things change and a new variant starts to really affect young people, then it is probably it is a no from us until we have had the chance to really know what these vaccines do in the longer term.

So yes if Covid becomes more dangerous, no if it stays as it is.

Children are not at risk from covid, so the risk of vaccines is not proportion to the danger they are in. Both dh and I were happy to have the vaccine, so I am not an anti vaxer by any stretch.

DS is disappointed as he’s only 11 but will be in year 7 he won’t get it.

@Moonstone1234

I don’t understand when people clutch their children to their chests when vaccines are mentioned. Surely it isn’t just about them?

For me it is though . I won’t lie I will put my dc first rather than protecting others/herd immunity and if I’m unsure a vaccine is safe I will not blindly go ahead for the greater good

Not a chance.

No way should kids be vaccinated against Covid. It’s crazy.

DS is disappointed as he’s only 11 but will be in year 7 he won’t get it.

That's very worrying that you have let him get sucked in so much

I don't really believe you're just interested if I'm honest, if you were you would have started the post from a neutral position but you didn't. You came at it from a very clear "this is a bad idea and I can't understand why anyone else would be such a shit parent as to expose their child to this risk" position.

OK.

And remember, the government already told us kids don’t spread it between them much anyway...

So you'll believe what the government tells you if you happen to agree/it suits your agenda but not.if it doesn't?

The association between the swine flu vaccine and narcolepsy was only observed in two countries where the vaccine was used which thows doubt on there being a causal relationship.

Narcolepsy and adjuvanted pandemic influenza A (H1N1) 2009 vaccines - Multi-country assessment

Abstract
Background: In 2010, a safety signal was detected for narcolepsy following vaccination with Pandemrix, an AS03-adjuvanted monovalent pandemic H1N1 influenza (pH1N1) vaccine. To further assess a possible association and inform policy on future use of adjuvants, we conducted a multi-country study of narcolepsy and adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines.

Methods: We used electronic health databases to conduct a dynamic retrospective cohort study to assess narcolepsy incidence rates (IR) before and during pH1N1 virus circulation, and after pH1N1 vaccination campaigns in Canada, Denmark, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom. Using a case-control study design, we evaluated the risk of narcolepsy following AS03- and MF59-adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines in Argentina, Canada, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan, and the Netherlands. In the Netherlands, we also conducted a case-coverage study in children born between 2004 and 2009.

Results: No changes in narcolepsy IRs were observed in any periods in single study sites except Sweden and Taiwan; in Taiwan incidence increased after wild-type pH1N1 virus circulation and in Sweden (a previously identified signaling country), incidence increased after the start of pH1N1 vaccination. No association was observed for Arepanrix-AS03 or Focetria-MF59 adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines and narcolepsy in children or adults in the case-control study nor for children born between 2004 and 2009 in the Netherlands case-coverage study for Pandemrix-AS03.

Conclusions: Other than elevated narcolepsy IRs in the period after vaccination campaigns in Sweden, we did not find an association between AS03- or MF59-adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines and narcolepsy in children or adults in the sites studied, although power to evaluate the AS03-adjuvanted Pandemrix brand vaccine was limited in our study.

If I had a child/children of school age I’d encourage them to be vaccinated - as it is am hoping my student DD will receive it over the Summer - although she had Covid at the beginning of Autumn term and said it was much better than the preceding years ‘freshers flu ‘ I worry for potential loss of antibodies , different variants , long Covid etc

Children should not be used as human shields for older adults. If they are, as I suspect is likely, more at risk from adverse reactions to the vaccine than they are from covid itself then there's no way they should be getting it.

And remember, the government already told us kids don’t spread it between them much anyway...

But that isn't true. You know it isn't true. So why on earth are suggesting that we should believe the government?

It’ll be interesting.
If parents refuse to vaccinate their DC and it’s their DC who cause bubbles to burst in schools, there’ll be very bad feeling.
Glad mine are grown up to be honest.

I will be allowing my DS13 to be vaccinated. He caught covid at school in October, our whole household caught it from him. The dc recovered quickly but DH and I have not. We both have long covid. We were both signed off sick for months. We now both work a fraction of our full time equivalent. We still suffer with day to day tasks such as the school run, housework, dressing, bathing. Six months down the line. You don’t want this infection in your family.

@Totalbeach

Its also about children getting as much education as possible. Not taking time put because there's a child with Covid in their class...

Surely the answer to this is stop freezing entire classes just because one kid gets a virus that isn’t serious in kids, in a country with a vaccinated adult population? In the same way we don’t send everyone home if someone has chicken pox.

Because of the children who aren't vaccinated and are at risk....I just don't get what people don't understand about this!? It could be your child's best friend that is in this position and they have as much right to a safe education as anyone else but while we allow covid to just spread around because the healthy kids won't get sick or die then it's not possible for those kids.

No one knows for sure the long-term effects of such new vaccines.

Nobody knows for sure the long-term effects of covid either.

And remember, the government already told us kids don’t spread it between them much anyway...

Until the graps indicated otherwise. Secondary school kids are nearly adults. They were spreading it around plenty.

@Alonim

Vaccines can trigger autoimmune responses and conditions. Many of them occur weeks later. The AZ vaccine is triggering these responses now. Many of these responses were not warned about.

The blood clots are believed to be an autoimmune response. Scientists are still gathering data. Autoimmune responses can happen weeks, months or years after vaccination.

Wouldn't it be impossible for a vaccine to cause a response months or years later. Vaccinations like AZ only stay in your system for about 2/3 weeks. Just enough to build up antibodies and trigger an immune response from your TCell etc. After that time there is no trace of the Vaccine left in your body.

@HelloMissus

It’ll be interesting. If parents refuse to vaccinate their DC and it’s their DC who cause bubbles to burst in schools, there’ll be very bad feeling. Glad mine are grown up to be honest.

How will other parents know if my children are vaccinated or not?

Get this idea of 'children are not at risk from covid' out of your head. Your child may not be at risk from covid but not all children are not at risk from covid, it's just not discussed in the mainstream because it doesn't suit the narrative.

@Totalbeach

People comparing it to the flu vaccine are missing the point.

A - The flu vaccine is very very widely used and understood.

B - Yes my children have it to protect the elderly and vulnerable. But since EVERY ADULT who wants it should be vaccinated by September, who are we vaccinating them to protect?

The adults and children who are unable to have the vaccine