School pupils vaccinated from September

[Totalbeach]

This is in lots of papers today. Such as:

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19274021.secondary-school-pupils-set-get-covid-jab-september/

And:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/nhs-england-draws-up-plan-to-give-covid-jabs-to-children-12-and-over

What’s your reaction?

Mine is that I 100% won’t be allowing my children to be vaccinated.

In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all.

The government has assured us till they are blue in the face that schools are safe and that children don’t spread it so it will be interesting to see what kind of enormous gaslighting they attempt to pull off to persuade parents they now need to vaccinate their kids.

The long term effects of the vaccines are totally unknown and recent events with AZ have proved rather horribly that even after a vaccine is rolled out, serious effects can come to light. Including events that disproportionately affect certain age groups.

I’m fully vaccinated (including first Covid vaccine) as are my kids but there is no way I’d let them be vaccinated in September. With any of the vaccines.

@Againstmachine

Kids get mass flu vaccinations every year to protect elderly relatives - what’s the difference??

In my experience I am pretty sure most kids don't.

Age 2 to year 7 are vaccinated as part of the national programme (or they were this last year, according to the nhs website).

@Lucidas

The link between narcolepsy and the swine flu vaccine is still not universally agreed upon, in any event those reactions still occurred very soon after the vaccine. Where events are very rare they won't show up in a trial because the trials cannot possibly have enough people in them to find the 1 in a million person that are impacted.

The only way very rare side effects are identified is giving the vaccine to millions of people.

@Totalbeach

Not dismissing it just don't understand it, at all.

You've made your decision so what is there to discuss? Or is the purpose of the post to persuade others not to let their DC have the vaccine? Are you anticipating being persuaded that you should change your mind by this discussion?

[quote smithyca]@Lucidas the swine flu vaccine gave people narcolepsy yet this wasn't picked up in any trails. I'm sure if you do some research you'll find some more information. [/quote]
Those who developed narcolepsy after the swine flu vaccine did so within two weeks of being vaccinated.

The AZ blood clots occur approx 5-20 days after vaccination.

So my point stands: which vaccines show adverse effects many months after they are given? And what is the mechanism by which this happens?

My 21 yo son just got his second Pfizer jab and 19 yo DD has had her first. I'm thrilled for both of them. The virus is mutating and the patient profile is tilting younger.

The tiny number of blood clots tied to the AZ vaccine all showed up within two weeks. The idea that you should wait years to look for vaccine side effects is not supported by history or an understanding of how the immune system reacts to antigens.

I'm a nurse and I worked in covid wards last year. I had patients in their 20's who needed supplemental oxygen. Imagine how frightening it is not to be able to take a normal breath. If you had seen the horror and death I have from this virus you would vaccinate your children.

You prove otherwise @Lucidas

@Alonim

How can you prove a negative?

What exactly do you mean by this?

I mean exactly what I said. The risk is not just to children. I'm not sure why that's tricky to understand.

Ask your kids would they rather have the vaccine or keep the face mask?

I know that's simplistic but reality is covid could easily mutate causing another round of SD, masks and further issues for kids.

Ask your kids would they rather have the vaccine or keep the face mask?
When are they getting rid of masks in schools?

Yes I will be vaccinating my children if it’s offered to them.

It not only protects them from illness, but others. As someone who works in a school I (selfishly) would love all the children I am in contact with to be vaccinated - it reduces my chance of catching it (no vaccine is 100% effective so I could still catch it despite being vaccinated).

Also if a swathe of the population is unvaccinated then the virus can run free in it, potentially leading to new variants which may or may not be controlled by the existing vaccines. Surely it’s better to squash the current variants across as much of the population at possible now?

Brilliant news. You may think children aren't at risk from covid, it's true very low risk of death however just read about the paediatricians sounding alarm bells about the rise in type 1 diabetes in children which they believe is related to covid. This has been found in many other countries but is only now being recognised in the UK. I have a child under cardiology and the consultant mentioned the rise they have seen in children presenting with heart conditions and they believe covid is causing inflammation in the heart of some children who have asymptomatic or mild covid and then leading to them presenting later on with damage to their heart. There's a lot more to be worried about than deaths, type 1 diabetes or any other long term health condition is not something to be ignored.

There are children being sent home from school when their bubble bursts. As long as that's a policy, I can't see how all children can be guaranteed education daily,

DCs 14& 17 will make their own choice, but both are bright and understand the benefits so I am assuming they will take it when offered.

I don’t understand when people clutch their children to their chests when vaccines are mentioned. Surely it isn’t just about them?

I am not keen but I think that kids in secondary school will be allowed to choose for themselves in reality. I know for example with some immunisations given in year 9, parents are asked for their consent but if parents don't give consent, the children can ask to have the immunisation anyway

You've made your decision so what is there to discuss? Or is the purpose of the post to persuade others not to let their DC have the vaccine? Are you anticipating being persuaded that you should change your mind by this discussion?

Because I’m interested. The ‘calm down dear’ type posts are a (misogynistic) tactic designed to shut down discussion.

I don’t understand when people clutch their children to their chests when vaccines are mentioned. Surely it isn’t just about them?

Who is it about then? The vaccinated population?

My DD will be 17 and off to college in September. From discussions we've had I expect she'll be delighted to have it and I would support her decision.

I can see that it might be more of a grey area for those with younger teens but working in a secondary school I can think of so many instances where vaccines would have protected people both within and slightly outside the school community...elderly relatives, younger siblings undergoing cancer treatment, the couple of teachers I know who have been seriously ill with Covid and the many colleagues I've lost to early retirement and career changes because they no longer felt safe in the school environment.

On balance I think it's a good thing, and if I had a younger teen would probably encourage them to have the vax.

I won't be getting my children vaccinated.

@Totalbeach

People comparing it to the flu vaccine are missing the point.

A - The flu vaccine is very very widely used and understood.

B - Yes my children have it to protect the elderly and vulnerable. But since EVERY ADULT who wants it should be vaccinated by September, who are we vaccinating them to protect?

Don't be so stupid. There is many many children under the vaccination age in this country who are CEV who over 1 year later are still not able to attend school. How can they ever attend while we allow covid to just spread amongst young people because 'well it won't kill my child' it will kill and leave some vulnerable children with lifelong problems. It's about the bigger picture and unfortunately the CEV children have been completely forgotten about by everyone like they don't deserve to also have life return to some sort of normal because they aren't healthy.

Of course. My dc are teenagers, so not that far off adults physically. We have seen how quickly the virus can spread in secondary chools and contribute to community cases. My dc would definitely be ok with having the vaccine. They are a bit surprised at people who refuse the vaccine without sound medical reason (e.g. immune system problems).

If it’s offered I’ll agree to my children being vaccinated. I don’t want them to be ill from a preventable disease and I don’t want them suffering long covid. Great news if true.

Pre AZ issues I’d have said yes but now there’s no way on Earth any of my dc will have a covid vaccine
Something clearly causes issues and until it’s been around a lot longer I won’t be letting any of them have it

@Moonstone1234

I don’t understand when people clutch their children to their chests when vaccines are mentioned. Surely it isn’t just about them?

Is parents prioritising their children's wellbeing really such a foreign concept to you? I wouldn't say it's a bad thing