School pupils vaccinated from September

[Totalbeach]

This is in lots of papers today. Such as:

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19274021.secondary-school-pupils-set-get-covid-jab-september/

And:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/nhs-england-draws-up-plan-to-give-covid-jabs-to-children-12-and-over

What’s your reaction?

Mine is that I 100% won’t be allowing my children to be vaccinated.

In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all.

The government has assured us till they are blue in the face that schools are safe and that children don’t spread it so it will be interesting to see what kind of enormous gaslighting they attempt to pull off to persuade parents they now need to vaccinate their kids.

The long term effects of the vaccines are totally unknown and recent events with AZ have proved rather horribly that even after a vaccine is rolled out, serious effects can come to light. Including events that disproportionately affect certain age groups.

I’m fully vaccinated (including first Covid vaccine) as are my kids but there is no way I’d let them be vaccinated in September. With any of the vaccines.

DC can decide. Saying that as a #LockdownSkeptic

• kowari

People comparing it to the flu vaccine are missing the point.

A - The flu vaccine is very very widely used and understood.

B - Yes my children have it to protect the elderly and vulnerable. But since EVERY ADULT who wants it should be vaccinated by September, who are we vaccinating them to protect?

I’m not quite sure why people get so upset about this. You are offered it, you say yes or no.
It’s not being forced on anyone.

Both mine will have it as soon as it is offered. DS1, aged 17, is very keen.

I think that the leaps forward in vaccine technology as a result of this crisis is remarkable. Can you imagine where we'd be now if we didn't have any hope of a vaccine?

Question Time have egg on their faces then. A young woman asked about 12 year olds and vaccination on there and was dismissed and made to feel stupid by Fiona Bruce and ridiculed on Twitter.

@Totalbeach

Kids get mass flu vaccinations every year to protect elderly relatives - what’s the difference??

Flu vaccinations have been around for a very long time. Nobody has had a Pfizer vaccine for more than about a year at most and no child has had it longer ago than a few months - and a small sample size at that.

There’s never been a vaccine side effect that has cropped up months after the event, and there’s no plausible mechanism by which that could happen.

Viruses on the other hand...well they have a track record of causing delayed reactions. Think HPV and cervical cancer.

I feel the same as you OP. There is no way my kids are being vaccinated with any Covid vaccines.

I’m not quite sure why people get so upset about this. You are offered it, you say yes or no.
It’s not being forced on anyone.

I’m not upset at all!

I will 100% refuse the vaccine and I’m very surprised that more people aren’t hesitant to vaccinate their children with a new technology where the long term effects are unknown against something pretty harmless.

But hey it’s fine by me if they want to! Being cold about it, not my kids not my problem. Less Covid flying around school will still benefit me and my kids even though I’d fully understand if others didn’t vaccinate.

Kids get mass flu vaccinations every year to protect elderly relatives - what’s the difference??

In my experience I am pretty sure most kids don't.

There’s never been a vaccine side effect that has cropped up months

This is factually incorrect

My teen DC were approved for vaccination 3 weeks ago (CEV person in the household) but even though medically prioritised we are still waiting for some Pfizer to become available for first jabs.

The biggest risk to my family is one of them bringing something home from school, and the sooner they can be vaccinated the better.

@Alonim

There’s never been a vaccine side effect that has cropped up months

This is factually incorrect

Which are you thinking of?

@Alonim

There’s never been a vaccine side effect that has cropped up months

This is factually incorrect

With no advance warning. Really, which one?

@conywarp

The risk isn't just to the children though. Why are so many people missing this major factor?

What exactly do you mean by this?

No chance!

There’s never been a vaccine side effect that has cropped up months after the event, and there’s no plausible mechanism by which that could happen.

Sorry but this isn’t true.

Also, a few weeks ago we were told there was no plausible way AZ was linked to blood clots. With new vaccines, data will continue to emerge.

It’s quite likely that in 2 - 3 years when my kids are older and a tiny bit more at risk and the data is clearer, I’ll get them vaccinated. But certainly not now or anytime soon.

Glad to hear the support for this. Yes mine would without a shadow of a doubt. Would have been part of a trial if possible

@nether how did you go about this please? We are desperate for teen to get it as we live with a CEV person too.

@Lucidas the swine flu vaccine gave people narcolepsy yet this wasn't picked up in any trails. I'm sure if you do some research you'll find some more information.

When you say "long term" side effects" what do you mean? Side effects that last a long time or side effects that don't present for a long time? The latter are not an issue with vaccines, the vaccine is broken down by the immune system and dealt with, it doesn't hang around and then spring side effects on you months/years later.

In any event this is all hypothetical at the moment, they are putting in place the necessary infrastructure to roll out vaccines to children over 12 but it may yet prove not to be necessary. It will depend on how successfully vaccinating adults suppresses the virus in the community.

If you don't want your DC to have it OP then fine, it's not compulsory so there's no issue really is there? Other people will decide on whether they consider their DC should have the vaccine as and when the vaccine becomes available for those age groups. I'm not sure of the point in getting worked up about something that isn't yet happening, might never happen and isn't compulsory anyway. Don't worry about it.

@OldScrappyAndHungry

Kids get mass flu vaccinations every year to protect elderly relatives - what’s the difference??

I thought young kids could suffer quite badly with flu and that’s why they get the vaccine? I didn’t think secondary school kids got it. It’s not just given to them to protect elderly relatives at all.

I'm not sure of the point in getting worked up about something that isn't yet happening, might never happen and isn't compulsory anyway. Don't worry about it.

I’m not ‘worked up’ but dismissing discussion in this way is a lame tactic.

Hell will freeze over before they vaccinate my kids.

Vaccines can trigger autoimmune responses and conditions. Many of them occur weeks later. The AZ vaccine is triggering these responses now. Many of these responses were not warned about.

The blood clots are believed to be an autoimmune response. Scientists are still gathering data. Autoimmune responses can happen weeks, months or years after vaccination.