Shocked at how anti vax it seems to have got on here

[daisiesinmay]

Haven't been on this board for maybe a week and it seems to have some real scaremongering about AZ vaccine now. People are losing sight of the benefits I think because cases have gone down, but if they start to go up again and people are refusing vaccines then we'll have problems.
I remember when this board started up it was people all worried about the virus. Has the anxiety just transferred to the vaccine? FWIW had my AZ and no regrets

I don’t think it’s anti vaccine. In fact the vast majority of people are for it on here. It’s just the usual suspects who aren’t.

I know someone who refused the vaccine and is now very, very seriously ill with Covid. The worse part is that she confused her 50 year old diabetic son who is overweight not to have it either and he is on a ventilator. If he doesn’t recover she will never forgive herself, I feel so bad for her.
It is important that we try and calm those down who are worried about the vaccine so that they can see that no matter how worried/some small risks/side effects it is still much less of a lottery than getting the actual virus, even on a selfish, individualistic level.

It’s not anti vaccines. Just concern about the AZ vaccine. There’s a big difference between the two.

I'm not anti vax but as a 30 year old woman I do not particularly want the AZ vaccine, seeing as it's not recommended for someone only a year younger than me. I know there has to be a cut off somewhere but I don't see why it's safe for a 30 year old but not a 29 year old.

That's sad Sunnyfreezesushi I fear we will get more of this. People don't seem able to see how rare the AZ risk is, and don't seem to be balancing it against the risks from Covid and long Covid

Will they offer you AZ Waxonwaxoff0 ? I can get that a 30 yr old wants something else, but for eg late 40s people it's more risk to stay unvaccinated. But people should have free choice anyway. What I am saying is that MN currently is scaremongering and seems surprisingly anti vax

@daisiesinmay

Will they offer you AZ Waxonwaxoff0 ? I can get that a 30 yr old wants something else, but for eg late 40s people it's more risk to stay unvaccinated. But people should have free choice anyway. What I am saying is that MN currently is scaremongering and seems surprisingly anti vax

I'm not sure. I'm not expecting to be offered a vaccine until late May so I am hoping there will be more information by then and maybe they will change the recommendation age.

I'd have thought that by then Waxonwaxoff0 they'll be offering the alternatives but if not you'd have the option of waiting a week or two until they do the 29s and going then.

I read today they are considering raising cut off age for az to 40.

I am also not anti vac but given I am early 30s I would really prefer not az!

What dispicable comments OP. A discussion striving to be further informed about the pros and cons of vacines is not anti vaxer...i say that as someone whos had the AZ first does, will have second too.

I'm pro vaccinations in general but really don't want it to become normal for covid vaccine certificates to be used to exclude people from society. I'm all for education and offering free vaccinations to everyone that's brilliant but pressuring people to take a vaccination that's still being trialled by threatening to take away the individual's ability to eg go to the pub or the cinema is not what preventative medicine is supposed to be for. I'd be more likely to be thinking we were doing great by having the vaccinations rolled out so quickly if there wasn't a vague ominous threat about what you won't be able to do if you don't have it.

My genuine questions: What other data about people are they going to store along with the vaccine status information and who will hold it and what will the data be used for and will they be making a profit for handling the data? Will they be immediately scrapped when we come out of pandemic status? Who will be profiting from the vaccine rollout and ongoing use and by how much? How long will these certificates be valid for? Will you need top up vaccinations and when? Are there any long term side effects from these vaccinations? Has there been enough data about breastfeeding women yet? If I don't get the vaccine because I'm breastfeeding/ might TTC soon what will that impact my ability to access/ do and is that fair?

Agree that the cut off age for the AZ should be 40 rather than 30 and this could happen shortly. Obviously the clots make headlines more than the millions vaccinated with no problems.

What dispicable comments OP.

what do you think is despicable?

Anti-covid vaccine is not anti-vaxx, HTH.

I agree with you Thereoncewasababy

I'd have been wary of any new vaccine if I was pregnant/planning to soon get pregnant or breastfeeding. I think forcing people to have vaccine passports is wrong and hope it doesn't happen.

My concern was some of the scaremongering on here though, some of it seems OTT on a general level, I know individuals have concerns eg younger people. But, for 40s plus people especially I worry that some will get put off when that will be detrimental to them.

I agree. But I hope that people with concerns will research actual scientific articles, and not just go on what they read on mumsnet.

Yes you’d hope people could accurately assess risk and not be swayed by posts on here but I find it worrying.

@CovidCrow

Anti-covid vaccine is not anti-vaxx, HTH.

There’s plenty of both. I’ve reported plenty of c&p jobs from US anti-vaxer sites which reference the CDC and FDA, and stuff about all vaccines containing ground up aborted babies (they don’t). Perhaps you have somehow missed all of that.

@Waxonwaxoff0

I'm not anti vax but as a 30 year old woman I do not particularly want the AZ vaccine, seeing as it's not recommended for someone only a year younger than me. I know there has to be a cut off somewhere but I don't see why it's safe for a 30 year old but not a 29 year old.

It has nothing to do with the actual safety of the vaccine. It's the risk/reward that changes. Each year older you get, statistically you're more at risk of Covid so the reward of the vaccine is higher.

The other vaccines carry a risk too

Another thing to consider is that the risk/reward they did wasn't brilliant either. It's based on 16 weeks standard for this kind of analysis) but the vaccine will offer protection for much longer than that, therefore the reward is actually a lot higher that they calculated & they only used people critically ill with Covid, not those who were merely 'extremely ill' or who had long Covid. So again the reward of having the vaccine is much higher. And again, if case rates go up it's a higher reward too.

@daisiesinmay

Will they offer you AZ Waxonwaxoff0 ? I can get that a 30 yr old wants something else, but for eg late 40s people it's more risk to stay unvaccinated. But people should have free choice anyway. What I am saying is that MN currently is scaremongering and seems surprisingly anti vax

Do you have evidence to back that up? Because where I live, the government doesn't recommend AZ for late 40's either.

I’m pro vax.
I’m going to have the one that gives 100 per cent protection and 0 side effects..guaranteed.

I’m first in the queue for when that comes out..
Form an orderly queue.

Are you saying you think it's safer to remain unvaccinated than have AZ if you are late 40s and living in the UK Providora ?

The Government put out a diagram with the risks going by age, maybe someone can link it. What country are you in?

Excellent post @Thereoncewasababy 👏
I've had the vaccine but had it purely for my own medical reasons I don't expect others to vaccinate for me nor to feel anyone should be bullied or coerced into a vaccine for the wrong reasons such as to access social facilities etc or social pressure to conform. If you want it fine, if you don't want it also fine, I'm not interested In your reasons to have or have not nor will I treat you any differently for having such reasons.

I have not seen any anti-vaxx posts... just people worried for a multitude of reasons, and also a couple of posts from people who have lost loved ones due to side effects. That is not scaremongering, or pushing any kind of agenda... just people airing concerns. They should not be shut down or called anti-vaxx (or anything for that matter... you do not convince someone to have a vaccine by calling them selfish etc).

I think people are being labelled antivax incorrectly.

At one end of the scale you have extreme antivaxers and at the other end extreme pushers of the vaccine program. Both of these groups will not change their mind regardless of new evidence appearing.

In the middle you have the rest of us trying to make the best of a bad situation and trying to figure out why the UK cut off is 30 when it's 50 in other countries. Don't confuse concerns about AZ with antivax and remember most people wary of AZ would happily take a different vaccine and are actually pro vaccination. If the blood clot risk rises as the age groups become younger then it's natural for people to be worried and it's good to talk about it.