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Shocked at how anti vax it seems to have got on here

324 replies

daisiesinmay · 25/04/2021 20:46

Haven't been on this board for maybe a week and it seems to have some real scaremongering about AZ vaccine now. People are losing sight of the benefits I think because cases have gone down, but if they start to go up again and people are refusing vaccines then we'll have problems.
I remember when this board started up it was people all worried about the virus. Has the anxiety just transferred to the vaccine? FWIW had my AZ and no regrets

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rarat · 26/04/2021 09:38

I fully agree we need high uptake of the vaccines but that's why trust is so important.

Savethegrammies · 26/04/2021 09:39

I think the problem is some views on here are swaying people who are undecided to not have the vaccine. They are reading things/views on here and making their minds up based on that. I don’t know but that just doesn’t sit right with me. I’m all for free speech and debate but people are being influenced

I agree. There are posters on MN who link to some very dubious sources of "evidence".

rarat · 26/04/2021 09:40

As we need two jabs & boosters for some does the risk remain per jab or if jab 1 has no adverse effect then the 2nd & boosters will be the same?

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/04/2021 09:41

I’m happy to get the vaccine when I am able to choose which one I have. Currently I have no choice so I will wait.

JeanClaudeVanDammit · 26/04/2021 09:43

I remember when this board started up it was people all worried about the virus. Has the anxiety just transferred to the vaccine?

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there. People I talk to in real life don’t seem to have the same qualms, and we’re mostly women in our 30s who you would expect to have most to fear from AZ...

TheKeatingFive · 26/04/2021 09:43

I’m happy to get the vaccine when I am able to choose which one I have. Currently I have no choice so I will wait.

If everyone took that view, what would the situation in the U.K. be?

Are you happy to lockdown another six months while enough supply for everyone to choose is amassed? Assuming it could be done in that time?

Natsku · 26/04/2021 09:52

Dismissing valid concerns about blood clots only helps the anti-vaxxers. Someone who is concerned about the possible risk to them, hears on one side that there's nothing to worry about despite other countries saying no AZ for under 50s/60s (so naturally they will feel there might be something to worry about), and then the anti-vaxxers will be telling them this is proof that vaccines are dangerous and they don't want you to know it.

Better to present facts and discuss.

And the options aren't vaccinated with AZ or be unvaccinated, there are other options.

Tal45 · 26/04/2021 09:52

I had AZ last week and have felt fine, if I'd had the choice of Pfizer or Moderna I'd have certainly had one of those instead - but I didn't. I've had vaccines with risks before (Yellow fever vaccine) just so I could go on hols and so it's about weighing things up. Others in my family have had both AZ jabs with no issue and I'm desperate to get back to a more normal life (and go on hols again!) so it wasn't a huge dilemma for me. I also really, really don't want long covid. We really need to get the world vaccinated to stop the variants so I hope people take the jab, the risks are low and just because you had covid before and weren't seriously ill doesn't mean you definitely will be fine the next time.

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/04/2021 09:54

@TheKeatingFive

I’m happy to get the vaccine when I am able to choose which one I have. Currently I have no choice so I will wait.

If everyone took that view, what would the situation in the U.K. be?

Are you happy to lockdown another six months while enough supply for everyone to choose is amassed? Assuming it could be done in that time?

Luckily not everyone in the UK has this view, so don’t worry.
TheKeatingFive · 26/04/2021 09:57

Luckily not everyone in the UK has this view, so don’t worry.

With every decision you make, the right thing to do is think about the implications of your actions being scaled up to everyone doing them.

You’re relying on other people to take risks, that you don’t want to, so you can reap the benefits.

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/04/2021 09:58

No. I’m making a decision based on my own family history weighed up with the likelihood of catching and spreading the virus.

murbblurb · 26/04/2021 09:59

Fucking LISTEN, people. Several have told you that the risk of blood clots isn't higher for under 40s, it's the relative risk of death/disability from covid.

It really isnt hard.

TheKeatingFive · 26/04/2021 09:59

No. I’m making a decision based on my own family history weighed up with the likelihood of catching and spreading the virus.

But you aren’t prepared to lock down another six months to ensure that everyone gets the same choice.

TheKeatingFive · 26/04/2021 10:00

Presumably if there’s a compelling medical reason why you shouldn’t get AZ, then you will get offered something else without question.

ILookAtTheFloor · 26/04/2021 10:02

This post reminds me of when left-wingers insist that the BBC is full of right wing bias while those on the right insist it's full of left wing bias.

Roonerspismed · 26/04/2021 10:02

Dunno really. When the regulator changes their narrative every couple of weeks on the safety data, it does rather unnerve one doesn’t it?

Are you saying we shouldn’t discuss this?

justanotherneighinparadise · 26/04/2021 10:03

@TheKeatingFive

No. I’m making a decision based on my own family history weighed up with the likelihood of catching and spreading the virus.

But you aren’t prepared to lock down another six months to ensure that everyone gets the same choice.

There are more more important people than me making decisions on lockdown.
TheKeatingFive · 26/04/2021 10:06

There are more more important people than me making decisions on lockdown.

What about the ‘more important people than you’ making decisions on vaccine rollout. They’re all working in conjunction with each other:

You’re happy to devolve responsibility to one set of important people, but not the other. Interesting.

Confusedaboutlots · 26/04/2021 10:09

they base lockdown decisions on covid numbers as a whole.

covid is a virus - it doesn’t negotiate or rationalise - it spreads quickly amongst people with no immunity

if everyone took the same action as you - covid will spread again.

lockdown will be necessary again

it’s not your action versus others - scale it up, use your brain and think about what happens if everyone does what you are condoning

i don’t know your age but if you are over 30 you have a far higher risk of dying from covid or suffering from long covid than dying from the AZ vaccine

and your only protection from not dying from covid is relying on others getting vaccinated

which you don’t agree with

can’t make it up

Confusedaboutlots · 26/04/2021 10:09

my message above was to @justanotherneighinparadise

Glitterblue · 26/04/2021 10:13

I'm in no way anti vax but I did post the concerns I had about the AZ to see if anyone knew anything. I was concerned because I had severe pre eclampsia and suffer from migraines, and wanted to be sure the AZ was safe for me. I talked to my GP about it and he said it was, and that it was safer for me to have the AZ than not to have a vaccine, so I had it and don't regret it.

IrmaFayLear · 26/04/2021 10:13

I have seen anti-vaxxer posts on MN. I mentioned it right at the beginning, and was deleted, but soon enough MN realised and they started being pulled.

They all had a similar tone, a sort of cheery breathy, “Hi guys! I’m a little worried about having the vaccine as five people I know have turned into werewolves...”. The faux naive similarity of them all was the clue.

MrsFezziwig · 26/04/2021 10:17

When the regulator changes their narrative every couple of weeks on the safety data, it does rather unnerve one doesn’t it?

It is an evolving situation. Unless you don’t expect them to update as further data is gathered, surely “changing the narrative” is to be expected? Or should they just stick to the information they had when hardly anyone had been vaccinated just so you’re not “unnerved”?

Confusedaboutlots · 26/04/2021 10:22

@Glitterblue

I'm in no way anti vax but I did post the concerns I had about the AZ to see if anyone knew anything. I was concerned because I had severe pre eclampsia and suffer from migraines, and wanted to be sure the AZ was safe for me. I talked to my GP about it and he said it was, and that it was safer for me to have the AZ than not to have a vaccine, so I had it and don't regret it.
you did the right thing by talking to a professional

people have a right to question and challenge of course.

but they should then do the research based on objective, impartial stats and speak to professionals about their concerns

GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam · 26/04/2021 10:24

@daisiesinmay

That's sad Sunnyfreezesushi I fear we will get more of this. People don't seem able to see how rare the AZ risk is, and don't seem to be balancing it against the risks from Covid and long Covid
Indeed, the 'I'm really worried posts' .... Hmm .... lots and lots it seems just to scare... it's what anti vax do....take a small worry or very very small chance of side effect and magnify out of all proportion and share share share. The anxiety prone become even more anxious then...job done.