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Those of you who don't mind or even support covid-certificates

195 replies

lljkk · 06/04/2021 09:38

(in any context, maybe just for airplane travel or to visit a care home, "covid certificates" = covid passports, could be a negative PCR/LFT or proof of vaccine or exemption to travel or go to the pub or a gig maybe, etc)

What conditions need to be met (in your mind) for the presented covid-certs to be stopped & no longer required? What is the threshold you want to see that would make you think "It's Ok to drop that now." How would you know?

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Mumblechum0 · 06/04/2021 09:42

That's a really good question. Personally I have no gripe with covid certs once everyone has been offered them (don't think it's fair that young people aren't allowed to have freedoms offered to older ones), but ending the requirements is a trickier one.

Maybe when the R no is below 5?

ChocOrange1 · 06/04/2021 09:52

Maybe when the R no is below 5?
R has never been higher than 3.

I don't support domestic covid passports but potentially could see them being useful for international travel. I would see them being phased out when the WHO state that the pandemic is no longer a pandemic.

Mumblechum0 · 06/04/2021 09:55

You know what I mean :-D

Aethelthryth · 06/04/2021 09:59

I would be happy to see certificates: it would help certain sectors of the economy to re-open, giving customers confidence. I would be happy to see exemptions for those who really can't have the vaccine or who have not been offered the vaccine.

I would say that the system would need to continue until we have a clearer idea of how well we can deal with mutations and how effectively we can offer booster shots. My guess is that that would be a couple of years.

ChristinaYang10 · 06/04/2021 09:59

@Mumblechum0

You know what I mean :-D
Don’t know if I’m being dim but I actually don’t know what you meant?
BeingATwatItsABingThing · 06/04/2021 10:01

@Mumblechum0

You know what I mean :-D
0.5?
Shadowboy · 06/04/2021 10:05

I am probably being stupid in asking this question but how would it work for kids type events? Seein as young people and children have not have a vaccination then how could that work as supposedly children are vectors. And say for festivals- it’s mainly 16-30 who attend, yet they are the ones who are yet to be offered a vaccine. How would those who have bought tickets be allowed in? Would they test on the gate? Same for children- test on entry? Because the results take half hour, those are serious queues!

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 06/04/2021 10:06

I’ve said this on another thread about them but I’m fine with covid passports if they are introduced AFTER everyone has had the vaccine (unless they can’t for medical reasons).

I am in one of the last categories to be vaccinated. I have no underlying medical issues and no one I live with does. I will be endlessly pissed off if my life (and my DH’s and children’s lives) has been put on hold for a year+ to protect the elderly and vulnerable- which I was happy to do! - and they are allowed to venture wherever they like before me because I haven’t been offered the vaccine yet.

RickiTarr · 06/04/2021 10:09

I’m agnostic about them as a concept. They are very different from ID cards.

Boris said something about them lasting for less than a year the other day, and I did then think “Well if you’re going to have them, formalise that promise into an end date 9, 12, 15 or 18 months from now”. It just cuts through all the debate and distrust and makes it a fixed period tool.

RickiTarr · 06/04/2021 10:10

@Mumblechum0

You know what I mean :-D
You mean 0.5?
Namenic · 06/04/2021 10:14

I’d be happy with it when we have shown over a few winters that removing it in different situations will not lead to big outbreaks. This may occur because of high availability of yearly vaccines (like flu) or a level of immunity to circulating strains.

megletthesecond · 06/04/2021 10:15

When the WHO declares the pandemic over. Unless we shut the borders once we've got no cases.

Kimye4eva · 06/04/2021 10:18

I think we need to go through a full winter post vaccination and with the passports to see what happens. Then reassess.

I would keep testing on schools through that period to get a sense of how widely it’s still circulating.

Namenic · 06/04/2021 10:18

I’m not annoyed that the vulnerable can do more than me - because they have had to restrict their lives more than me (because they have had to live with the worry that covid may have a big impact on their life - and would have had to restrict their lives much more than me due to their greater risk).

FlibbertyGiblets · 06/04/2021 10:21

What form would the "passports" take, do we think?
Print out? An App? Card like the vaccination one?

Racoonworld · 06/04/2021 10:22

I support covid passports/certificates if it means we can get back to normal life. Certain vaccines are already needed for some jobs (NHS for example) and travel so I wouldn't mind if covid vaccination was needed for these things too. I would be fine with it carrying on indefinitely if this is the only restriction we need going forwards.

Namenic · 06/04/2021 10:22

Possibly for healthcare and care work settings I would keep the passports - like you have to have proof of hep b vaccine status and chickenpox antibodies.

Racoonworld · 06/04/2021 10:23

Also no matter what we do in the UK, other countries can impose what they like, so if the EU or Australia for example require covid passports to enter then that is what the UK is going to have to provide.

Racoonworld · 06/04/2021 10:25

@FlibbertyGiblets

What form would the "passports" take, do we think? Print out? An App? Card like the vaccination one?
One idea has been that it could be linked to an app which shows your covid status.

Other vaccine certificates have just been on paper which you take with you when you travel.

EasterIssland · 06/04/2021 10:28

When no more social distancing measurements are needed to be taken , as it seems there will be some post June

Grumblesigh · 06/04/2021 10:32

Domestically, above a % of population vaccinated that the NHS felt had conferred herd immunity. When the R rate is sufficiently low (I would be happy with the SAGE take on that) or when the total number of infections is below a certain number. Long term, that's the only way to know how pervasive any disease is. It's reportable and we track it.

As boosters will likely be necessary to either top up immunity (we don't know how long it lasts yet) or to deal with new strains, that info would need to be added to the vaccine passport/card/whatever. I imagine they would be unimportant/unnecessary domestically once the situation is under control (R number and total infections and hospitalisations), but would continue to be necessary for international travel (both us going abroad and people coming to the UK) for several years to come.

I don't think we would be in a position to have a low enough/safe enough environment in the UK until children can be vaccinated.

BertieBotts · 06/04/2021 10:36

To be honest, I just don't know enough about it and I'm very happy to leave all the decision making up to people who do.

So while I'm not especially bothered about the idea of corona certificates, it sounds annoying, but not much different from me showing my child's vaccine records to their school /nursery (I'm not in the UK) and I'm also quite happy for someone else to decide the time scale and logistics.

Looneytune253 · 06/04/2021 10:37

@BeingATwatItsABingThing would you rather things just stayed closed then? Yes I realise that it seems a bit unfair but if the vaccinated people can slowly get back to some normality surely that's a good thing. Just because you can't have something doesn't mean no one else should. A lot of the vaccinated have been shielding and therefore doing nothing at all.

RedcurrantPuff · 06/04/2021 10:38

@lljkk

(in any context, maybe just for airplane travel or to visit a care home, "covid certificates" = covid passports, could be a negative PCR/LFT or proof of vaccine or exemption to travel or go to the pub or a gig maybe, etc)

What conditions need to be met (in your mind) for the presented covid-certs to be stopped & no longer required? What is the threshold you want to see that would make you think "It's Ok to drop that now." How would you know?

What a strange question

Given we haven’t been given thresholds for easing of any other restrictions why would we get one for this?

AcornAutumn · 06/04/2021 10:41

Redcurrant the fact you find it an odd question alarms me.