Those of you who don't mind or even support covid-certificates

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(in any context, maybe just for airplane travel or to visit a care home, "covid certificates" = covid passports, could be a negative PCR/LFT or proof of vaccine or exemption to travel or go to the pub or a gig maybe, etc)

What conditions need to be met (in your mind) for the presented covid-certs to be stopped & no longer required? What is the threshold you want to see that would make you think "It's Ok to drop that now." How would you know?

The reason they may not be illogical is that the different variants of the virus could escape some immunity. I think we don’t know the effect of the variants and whether those vaccinated or previously infected will have some level of protection (from new infection and from symptoms). So it would be good to be cautious and watch it over a few winters.

@Choccy21

If these vaccines work, how long will social distancing measures be in place? I’ve heard some people say we will love like this forever. Surely the hospitality industry can’t survive long term with social distancing in place? The goal posts keep moving.

We can't live like this forever. Too many people think social distancing just means staying 2m apart in the supermarket. It is so much more than that.

Just saw that the US has ruled them out:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56657194

The problems arising re. the homeless and vaccines.

twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1379399965361983493?s=20

I've changed my name to keep my threads separate. I'm legally homeless because of domestic violence. I am clinically vulnerable and was in a refuge. My fear of the virus made things extra hard. I was considering suicide if I got a positive virus test as so frightened of it. I don't mind dying quickly and would prefer my partner killed me as it's quicker.

I may need to go to refuge again or temporary accommodation. I hope I don't need to but I'd feel much safer if there was vaccine proof. I know it's harder to get vaccine if homeless so think all places like refuges and hostels should be allowed to arrange appointment for residents. I also don't think a victim should be turned away from refuge but if no vaccine, they should take a test and self isolate if they need to. Domestic abuse and homelessness makes it more likely there's health conditions that put you at higher risk. I don't want to leave somewhere unsafe to be unsafe somewhere else. It hard enough trying to travel anywhere safely. I'm so grateful to the rail to refuge scheme but wish there was also volunteer drivers to help clinically vulnerable or disabled travel. Sorry long post. Just wanted to explain how being homeless makes protection from corona even more important.

I think I'm generally in favour, but I don't know at what end point. I think it would need to be regularly reviewed. I think people entering different countries and coming here should be able to show a negative test. Again, there are still loopholes - some people won't care if they have it and pass it on so will get another to do the test if it's not done onsite. I would expect test costs to come down. Within the country and events where there are large numbers or smaller venues where you are confined together for a period of time, it would depend on vax numbers, r rate, number of cases etc - a negative test should be sufficient. Testing visitors to care homes - definitely. I was surprised to learn that prison staff can opt out of regular testing, which seems pretty off, so I think some sort of certification system may be needed to encourage those who don't care about spreading.

IATA are trialling an app for air travel. It's for vaccines or testing.

I'm happy with an app that gives you the option of a vaccine or a negative test for international travel.

If it means we can go on holiday I'm all in.

Keep them until it's no longer necessary (so when most of the world is vaccinated and we are no longer in a pandemic)

As we don't live in a bubble, these things will be affected and partly determined by other countries. For example, if 10 countries popular for travel with Brits require them, then the government or another body will have to make them available to us.

I'm happy with an app that gives you the option of a vaccine or a negative test for international travel.

Even vaccinated people should have to provide a negative test. The vaccine doesn’t guarantee that you’re immune or that you won’t transmit the virus.

Apparently Liverpool was named as somewhere that would be involved in the trial and they have denied it.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-56650665

Liverpool are trialling large scale events, not vaccine passports. They plan to start this month, so there’s no way they could use passports even if they want to.

[quote Canigooutyet]Apparently Liverpool was named as somewhere that would be involved in the trial and they have denied it.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-56650665[/quote]
That's what you get when journalist leap into something without using the same descriptions as the government and the organisations involved.

The trials are for covid safe mass venues. CSCs will be part of that, not the whole of it.

When Liverpool council said they aren't / weren't taking part they misspoke. They, well, a couple of venues, did sign up to the Events Research Programme, that is not 'vaccine passports' it is a whole tranche of things being trialled, this will include the CSC.

There's far too much politicking and scaremongering going on. Something has to be done to ensure large venues can be opened up sooner rather than later. All of the continued disinformation about what is included isn't going to help!

So just require people to take a test for a mass event and stop with the ‘vaccine passport’ nonsense. The vaccine doesn’t guarantee that you’re immune or can’t transmit the virus.

@bumbleymummy

So just require people to take a test for a mass event and stop with the ‘vaccine passport’ nonsense. The vaccine doesn’t guarantee that you’re immune or can’t transmit the virus.

That wuld presume that other measures were not needed, would not work or would be inefficient! They have to trial some possibilities. Imagine how much worse all of this would be if they just said "Yes, it'll be fine, go on out!"

This seems to be one of the times that the media will be very happy with whatever decisions are made, they'll make great headlines, regardless!

Just don't get sucked in. We all know that some precautions will be needed. Lets see what comes out of the various trials!

A vaccine certificate allowing some people to be admitted without a test, while others without the certificate have to be tested presumes that the vaccinated person is immune and not a risk to others, which is not necessarily the case. If you’re going to test people to prove they’re not a risk to others then vaccinated people also need to be tested, they can’t be given a free pass.

Oh get off your expounding plank! We heard you the first time.

Better yet, call Matt and tell him. You never know, they may not have realised. That could be a vital piece of information.

AKA we don't know what they ARE doing in the trial period; we don't know what they WILL do when they choose to put something on place. It's all conjecture based on the results of a few months of thinking and organising real life trials that are only just starting!

If the vaccines work, passports soon become irrelevant.

Lateral flow tests are VERY inaccurate (30% error rates both ways)

The USA has now opened vaccines to all over 18s
that is the way to go

You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder there @CuriousaboutSamphire.

And the US announced yesterday that they won’t be using vaccine passports.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56657194

@bumbleymummy

You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder there *@CuriousaboutSamphire*.

Pots and kettles, I imagine @bumbleymummy