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Those of you who don't mind or even support covid-certificates

195 replies

lljkk · 06/04/2021 09:38

(in any context, maybe just for airplane travel or to visit a care home, "covid certificates" = covid passports, could be a negative PCR/LFT or proof of vaccine or exemption to travel or go to the pub or a gig maybe, etc)

What conditions need to be met (in your mind) for the presented covid-certs to be stopped & no longer required? What is the threshold you want to see that would make you think "It's Ok to drop that now." How would you know?

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/04/2021 15:56

Not sure it's them.

Had you said journalists...

bumbleymummy · 06/04/2021 15:56

@Tealightsandd

Are venues, pubs, etc allowed to themselves up as a place for the unvaccinated to go to/work at? Perhaps this is the fairest solution.

Meanwhile everyone else has the freedom to go to/work at the other venues with the reassurance of being safe from the unvaccinated.

Aren’t the vaccinated supposed to be ‘safe’ from the unvaccinated anyway?
canigooutyet · 06/04/2021 15:58

@Tealightsandd

I don't care how long I need one. At least it's free at the point of access. A few years ago, I had to pay to renew my regular passport. I wasn't going on holiday. I was going to a concert and there was no entrance without photo ID. My passport photo is the worst. I'd rather show a note saying I've had the covid vaccine than my horrid passport photo to get in somewhere!
You didn't have to renew your passport. The citizen card is also acceptable and a lot cheaper!! Introduced in the later 90's early 2000 and a legal form of ID for the UK.
BlowDryRat · 06/04/2021 16:01

I'd be ok with covid passports for international travel, as long as there are a range of options and the testing option doesn't cost more than £50pp total. I see that ending when the WHO declares the pandemic over.

Tealightsandd · 06/04/2021 16:05

@dividedwefall

"being safe from the unvaccinated"

The psychologists have really done a number on people in this country haven't they?

Agree with Curious about journalists. The fear I've seen the past few days over the extremely rare blood clots possibly linked to AZ (although bizarrely there seems to be less fear about the same blood clots being associated with actual covid).
Tealightsandd · 06/04/2021 16:08

caring the entrance conditions stated they only accepted driving licence (I don't drive) or passport.

canigooutyet · 06/04/2021 16:08

@Tealightsandd

Are venues, pubs, etc allowed to themselves up as a place for the unvaccinated to go to/work at? Perhaps this is the fairest solution.

Meanwhile everyone else has the freedom to go to/work at the other venues with the reassurance of being safe from the unvaccinated.

Erm isn't the point about vaccination to not only protect you by having the vaccine but to also offer some protection to the unvaccinated? Something about herd immunity?

If you've had the vaccine, then what risk do I pose to you as the unvaccinated? Surely I am more of a risk to others like myself?

Tealightsandd · 06/04/2021 16:17

I explained it badly.

I meant somewhere where those who are vaccine refusers or vaccine certificate refusers can go.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective but also some people are genuinely unable to have one for medical reasons.

A venue where everyone else has had the vaccine will be safer for all there.

FrangipaniBlue · 06/04/2021 16:26

test on entry? Because the results take half hour, those are serious queues!

This is exactly what I am having to do for an event in June - it's a sporting event and all participants are required to take a LFT at registration, we've been told to plan and allow time for it when arriving.

I personally don't see the issue

FrangipaniBlue · 06/04/2021 16:28

@Tealightsandd

I explained it badly.

I meant somewhere where those who are vaccine refusers or vaccine certificate refusers can go.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective but also some people are genuinely unable to have one for medical reasons.

A venue where everyone else has had the vaccine will be safer for all there.

Even if you can't or won't have the vaccine, what's the issue with taking a test instead?

As I understand it nobody is saying proof of vaccine, it's proof of vaccine OR a negative covid test.

AnneofScreamFables · 06/04/2021 16:30

@AcornAutumn - this link here says it is notifiable www.gov.uk/guidance/notifiable-diseases-and-causative-organisms-how-to-report
(updated Oct 2020). It may not be a 'High Consequence Infectious disease' but it still needs to be notified.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/04/2021 16:30

Yes. Because that is what is being trialled to see what procedures are practical and effective.

Sadly, as I have said before, this means that the Eurovision Song Contest is going ahead this year...

AnneofScreamFables · 06/04/2021 16:30

@AcornAutumn - this link here says it is notifiable www.gov.uk/guidance/notifiable-diseases-and-causative-organisms-how-to-report
(updated Oct 2020). It may not be a 'High Consequence Infectious disease' but it still needs to be notified.

Temp023 · 06/04/2021 16:32

Quite happy to get a regular innoculation and carry a certificate for years, if that is what it takes.

bumbleymummy · 06/04/2021 16:32

@FrangipaniBlue because proof of a vaccine doesn’t mean guaranteed immunity or a guarantee that you’re not carrying it and can transmit it to someone else. If you’re going to require people to be tested for entry then everyone should be tested for entry.

AnneofScreamFables · 06/04/2021 16:33

Sorry for double post - I keep getting error messages.

Tealightsandd · 06/04/2021 16:33

I know some private clinics are offering 15 minute test results. Not sure how accurate but that sort of quick turnaround test is something worth considering.

Canigooutyet · 06/04/2021 16:43

Yup there’s reports including in this site that even with the vaccine they don’t have any antibodies.

Thought it was vaccine, rapid testing or had the virus?

Testing would have to be at the venue not elsewhere surely as it’s like any other test. You’re only negative at the time of testing.

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lljkk · 06/04/2021 17:02

I'm trying to understand what made the WHO declare the swine flu pandemic 'over'. The pandemic status ran from April 2009 to August 2010. In August 2010 the epidemic was described as "Influenza H1N1 (2009) virus transmission remains locally intense in parts of India and New Zealand." but not intense elsewhere, except South Africa. > 30% positivity in tests from some countries.

Those of you who don't mind or even support covid-certificates
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CuriousaboutSamphire · 06/04/2021 17:22

It is not pan demic. It may be en demic in those countries. It does seem to be more than epi demic there.

AcornAutumn · 06/04/2021 17:24

[quote AnneofScreamFables]@AcornAutumn - this link here says it is notifiable www.gov.uk/guidance/notifiable-diseases-and-causative-organisms-how-to-report
(updated Oct 2020). It may not be a 'High Consequence Infectious disease' but it still needs to be notified.[/quote]
Ah, thank you. I was confused.

Bythemillpond · 06/04/2021 17:27

Meanwhile everyone else has the freedom to go to/work at the other venues with the reassurance of being safe from the unvaccinated

But if you are vaccinated doesn’t that protect you. If you think you need to be protected from the unvaccinated then you can’t have much faith in the vaccine

AcornAutumn · 06/04/2021 17:27

They've really done a number haven't they

Not high consequence but still notifiable. Bet Cummings was involved in that. Very very clever.

ListeningQuietly · 06/04/2021 18:37

Flu kills up to 25,000 every winter in the UK
but passports and tests were never deemed necessary

Tumbleweed101 · 06/04/2021 18:49

I don't think there should be any coercion, including social, for a medical procedure.

Vaccinated people should be safe. Anyone choosing not to have the vaccine will know the risks of that decision. It's actually putting me off having the vaccine feeling like I am being socially pressured to do so, whereas before the idea of covid certificates I was quite on board with having mine! I don't think anyone should be forced, especially when the vaccine is so new and the long term effects are still not known, especially for young women who may feel uncomfortable about how it might impact pregnancy or fertility.