Those of you who don't mind or even support covid-certificates

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(in any context, maybe just for airplane travel or to visit a care home, "covid certificates" = covid passports, could be a negative PCR/LFT or proof of vaccine or exemption to travel or go to the pub or a gig maybe, etc)

What conditions need to be met (in your mind) for the presented covid-certs to be stopped & no longer required? What is the threshold you want to see that would make you think "It's Ok to drop that now." How would you know?

@CuriousaboutSamphire Residents of those countries don’t have to carry around YF certificates to show proof of their vaccine status so they can go to concerts etc. Not to mention that YF has a much higher CFR. It’s not really comparable at all.

I'm also adviced against having it by my consultants because of unknown Contras.
Yes I could get an exemption certificate. Same with I could have gotten a mythical whatever last year to show mask exemption.
But as experienced last year, and as seen on this thread as soon as you mention exemption people think they have some right to question this. And this is often taken one step further by well my cats mate owner has that and they can still do x,y, and z. Or Have you tried?
And despite the clotting thing being something completely different to say the Pill, this also gets trotted out as an unreasonable excuse.

I don't support them at all.

@canigooutyet

I'm also adviced against having it by my consultants because of unknown Contras. Yes I could get an exemption certificate. Same with I could have gotten a mythical whatever last year to show mask exemption. But as experienced last year, and as seen on this thread as soon as you mention exemption people think they have some right to question this. And this is often taken one step further by well my cats mate owner has that and they can still do x,y, and z. Or Have you tried? And despite the clotting thing being something completely different to say the Pill, this also gets trotted out as an unreasonable excuse.

What makes you say the "clotting thing" different to the pill? To me it's the same. The risk of clotting with the pill is far, far higher than with the covid vaccine. But maybe I'm missing something?

I'm not sure how I feel about the vaccine passport. DH can't have the vaccine just yet because of his age (under 40) and will be a while before he's offered it. The lockdowns and restrictions have, quite literally, almost killed him due to an inability to access medical care and the status of his mental health. To then be further restricted until he can have a vaccine he hasn't been offered yet is only going to make things worse.

Personally given the current infection rate, hospitalisation rate etc I strongly feel the restrictions have gone too far. We need to start being able to see people, we need to get back to having face to face healthcare not a quick, crappy, dismissive chat over the telephone, we need to get back to some sort of normality.

Covid is awful, I'm not denying that but it's not the only issue going on in our country!

What about those of us that won't/can't have it but can't get a medical exemption?

If you can't have it then surely there's a medical exemption? (Or the person in question is a child.)

Every adult will be offered two jabs by mid-autumn at the current rate.

Barring new and game-changing variants, I can't see a domestic vaccination passport being useful for much longer than a year.

I dont really understand those saying it's a choice between vaccine passports or lockdowns. We have the vaccine, it's been rolled out quickly. Why would we need any more lockdowns? And what's the point of the passport if the vaccine works?

@DunravenBadger it’s a different type of clot than the one that can be caused by the contraceptive pill.

@millenialblush

I dont really understand those saying it's a choice between vaccine passports or lockdowns. We have the vaccine, it's been rolled out quickly. Why would we need any more lockdowns? And what's the point of the passport if the vaccine works?

The point, as I think we all understand deep down, is to coerce people into having this new vaccine who is hesitant, and to punish those who hold out in the face of extreme pressure.

It isn't to 'reopen the economy', or 'keep you safe' or any number of other NLP phrases people have been programmed to trot out on cue.

Have just seen a headline flash up on my phone saying the government hasn’t rule out certificates being required to enter non essential shops after 21 June.

Horrified by this - I’ve been working from home for a year, being terrorised by a tyrannical 2 year old. I can’t have the vaccine yet as I’m pregnant (and also not been offered one yet anyway). Have been surviving on the thought of having a little trip into town alone for a quiet browse and a coffee in a cafe, before no 2 arrives and the pandemonium starts- now I can’t even look forward to that 😢

From what I understand about the clotting issue is that the Pill is related to DVT whereas the clotting issue potentionally linked to the vaccine reduces platelets and the clots are in the brain. But tbh I haven't really being paying attention once the low platelet thing was mentioned as I already have low numbers. Google Vipit or look at the Canada pauses thread, there is a poster on there over the past couple of days that properly explains everything.

I know what you mean about other health things are also happening and being neglected. Instead of having scheduled appointments and planned hospital stays, I keep getting admitted as an emergency.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56645208

This article says they won't be needed for when non-essential shops and outdoor hospitality open

@ineedaholidaynow

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56645208

This article says they won't be needed for when non-essential shops and outdoor hospitality open

But by omission was hinted very strongly that will be needed on 21st June

When the WHO declares the pandemic over.

Wonder if it will be a choice of venue continuing SD and masks or vaccine passport

@winched

Yes I realise that it seems a bit unfair but if the vaccinated people can slowly get back to some normality surely that's a good thing. Just because you can't have something doesn't mean no one else should.

Did you have this same attitude re low risk children and young adults during the lockdown?

Good point

Hospitality is such a broad spectrum to begin with.

"The hospitality industry is a broad category of fields within the service industry that includes lodging, food and drink service, event planning, theme parks, and transportation. It includes hotels, restaurants and bars. The role of Hotel Industry stems from a long history and development in the field of hospitality provision."

So under their plans we can go to Thorpe park, eat at a resturant somewhere near and finish off the day in the pub, and collapse into a hotel bed for the night.

Makes the idea look even more daft really doesn't it?

AnneOfScreamFables "Within the UK - well, COVID is a notifiable disease"

No, it was removed from the list on 19 March 2020.

www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19

@dividedwefall yep, just haven't seen a reasonable answer to those points yet despite it being asked many times on Twitter. The passport isnt about 'freedom'. Its about coercion. Especially now they have proposed weekly testing for the vaccinated, makes you wonder what it's all for...

Like another poster says, when WHO declare the pandemic over and it’s safe to go back to normal life.

@SempreSuiGeneris

Just on the subject of other vaccines. Surely if we were to go down this route it would become inevitable that certification would be required for all other standard vaccines. If not why not?

That would depend on what they were vaccinating against. A pandemic disease isn't all that common - yet!

[quote bumbleymummy]@CuriousaboutSamphire Residents of those countries don’t have to carry around YF certificates to show proof of their vaccine status so they can go to concerts etc. Not to mention that YF has a much higher CFR. It’s not really comparable at all.[/quote]
I didn't say it was. Just answered a question about where a YF vaccine was a requirement of entry.

I don't care how long I need one.
At least it's free at the point of access. A few years ago, I had to pay to renew my regular passport. I wasn't going on holiday. I was going to a concert and there was no entrance without photo ID. My passport photo is the worst. I'd rather show a note saying I've had the covid vaccine than my horrid passport photo to get in somewhere!

Yep I'm happy with everyone having an ID card similar to a bus pass. Less happy with it having an electronic link to my medical records and all sorts of other Govt databases.

Are venues, pubs, etc allowed to themselves up as a place for the unvaccinated to go to/work at? Perhaps this is the fairest solution.

Meanwhile everyone else has the freedom to go to/work at the other venues with the reassurance of being safe from the unvaccinated.

"being safe from the unvaccinated"

The psychologists have really done a number on people in this country haven't they?