Denmark suspends Astra Zeneca vaccine over blood clot death - Not proven to be linked to the jab, but investigations are ongoing *title edited by MNHQ*

[Fluffymarshmallows]

A 49-year-old Austrian woman diedof ‘severe blood coagulation problems’ after taking the jab, and three more cases of blood clotting issues have been reported in the country.

Not proven to be linked to the jab yet, but investigations are ongoing.

metro.co.uk/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-oxford-covid-vaccine-as-patient-dies-with-blood-clot-14224751/

the issues currently around AZ are a tiny risk compared to the dangers of CV but that doesn't mean that any potential risks shouldn't be reported or commented on

That's the whole point of the Yellow Card scheme.

Of course we need to understand what side effects these vaccines have.

But we also need to ensure that all vaccines are treated equally no matter how cheap or expensive they are and who manufactures.

That does not appear to be the case for AZ.

the issues currently around AZ are a tiny risk compared to the dangers of CV but that doesn't mean that any potential risks shouldn't be reported or commented on.

No it doesn't. But that should not be done in a way that is alarmist, and what we are seeing here (and in the media etc) are numbers of debates taken entirely out of context, without any real understanding. Fifteen people die after having vaccine scares people beyond reason. They could have died of anything. And there is no evidence that the vaccine did anything at all to them. So why isn't the headline 17million people don't die after having vaccine ? Because that is the other side of the coin, isn't it?

Just seen this in another thread
Coronavirus Good News on Twitter posted this:
The UK has given over 10 million doses of both the Oxford and Pfizer vaccine.
Number of blood clot related events:
Oxford = 13
Pfizer = 15
These numbers are no higher than what is seen in the general population (no increased risk).

Holland was due to vaccinate 300k people in the next 2 weeks. At the moment they are confirming a case in every 3000 people each day, so over 2 weeks that could be 1 in every 200/220 people. Of the 300k due to be vaccinated 1400/1500 could catch the virus instead of being vaccinated.

They have also reported that 1.4% of all of their confirmed cases went on to die. So if 1400 caught the virus who might not have done if they received the vaccine about 20 will die.

How many have died of blood clots having had the vaccine?

It’s incredibly worrying. I can only presume they have grave concerns, perhaps more than they are saying. Not good for those who are walking around with it in our systems already.

Too many (EU) countries playing politics

Your haste to dismiss 15 countries is worrying tbh too.

@Bluenightowl

It’s incredibly worrying. I can only presume they have grave concerns, perhaps more than they are saying. Not good for those who are walking around with it in our systems already.

If the concerns are so grave why haven't Germany Spain, France Sweden and others not taken the same action? It is a temporary precaution, that's all. There have been millions of doses of AZ given in the UK and only a very, very small number of cases of thrombosis and nothing that is not in line with what you would expect from normal levels of incidence. For example: 14 cases of DVT were reported between 4/01/21 and 28/02/21 and one death from cerebral thrombosis.

@Moondust001

the issues currently around AZ are a tiny risk compared to the dangers of CV but that doesn't mean that any potential risks shouldn't be reported or commented on.

No it doesn't. But that should not be done in a way that is alarmist, and what we are seeing here (and in the media etc) are numbers of debates taken entirely out of context, without any real understanding. Fifteen people die after having vaccine scares people beyond reason. They could have died of anything. And there is no evidence that the vaccine did anything at all to them. So why isn't the headline 17million people don't die after having vaccine ? Because that is the other side of the coin, isn't it?

Exactly.

@Bluenightowl

Your haste to dismiss 15 countries is worrying tbh too.

That would be EIGHT out of 27.

A minority have taken a debatably precautious stance.

There have been cases of blood clots after the Pfizer vaccine too - why isn't that fact getting the same attention?

@pinkearedcow it’s strange isn’t it? I don’t understand it, why is one vaccine being highlighted while the other one has had the same numbers and nobody mentions it? Very odd

@pinkearedcow that's what I would like to know too. It all feels political to me.

Are there any other illnesses that we'd like the AstraZeneca jab to outrun the usual odds under normal circumstances?

I'll start with asthma and cancer. I'd like for nobody who gets the az jab to die of asthma or cancer...anyone else like the throw an illness in the pot?

[quote Baileysforchristmas]@pinkearedcow it’s strange isn’t it? I don’t understand it, why is one vaccine being highlighted while the other one has had the same numbers and nobody mentions it? Very odd[/quote]
Because it's a snowball effect.

Once one regulator acts, many others feel compelled to. They're human beings at the end of the day and some will feel if they don't follow suit, they'll be guilty if anyone dies as a result. They could let 1,000,000 die from NOT receiving the vaccine and wouldn't feel the same guilt as if 1 person died FROM the vaccine - that's human emotions for you.

The first regulator to act did so because of TWO events in the same location - statistically probably likely to happen though as there as so many vaccination locations...

The reassuring bit is that it normally when something like this happens, nearly everyone follows suit. But only 8 have suspended use of the AZ vaccine ...

[quote Baileysforchristmas]@pinkearedcow it’s strange isn’t it? I don’t understand it, why is one vaccine being highlighted while the other one has had the same numbers and nobody mentions it? Very odd[/quote]
Maybe the medical history of each person affected by blood clotting issues explains why AZ is getting the attention.

Given how far europe is behind the UK in vaccination rates and their current infections, it beggars belief they would play games with their populations as you appear to be saying.

Company or vaccine same shite. Obviously it doesn't matter what it means in Swedish always look at the Latin meaning

Bluenightowl
It’s incredibly worrying. I can only presume they have grave concerns, perhaps more than they are saying. Not good for those who are walking around with it in our systems already.“

There are no grave concerns.
Fergus Walsh, BBC News at Ten last night, reported that incidence of blood clots in the UK population who have been vaccinated with AZ (over 11 million now) are in fact lower than those in the unvaccinated population.

As someone with veinous insufficiency and regular phlebitis, I’m am personally delighted to walking around with it in my system. My chances of clotting were I unfortunate to enough to contact Covid were many times greater.

I’m having my first jab tomorrow. Obviously I don’t know which it’ll be yet but I’ll have no problem if it’s the Astra Zeneca one.

The numbers don’t justify suspending vaccinations. This is politics not science.

Definitely politics not science - disgraceful.

I'm having mine on Saturday.

@Lourdes12

Company or vaccine same shite. Obviously it doesn't matter what it means in Swedish always look at the Latin meaning

Particularly if there isn't one

@LimitIsUp & @Nightbear

Denmark has and continues to have a science-led approach to the pandemic and the vaccinations. Our health authorities have praised the AZ vaccine from the start.

We have no beef with the UK and have never seen the AZ as a 'UK thing' - it is half owned by our Swedish neighbours.

How is it politics? It is so insulting to suggest so.

"How is it politics? It is so insulting to suggest so."

Because if it wasn't politics then the use of Pfizer would have been suspended too - given a similar (incredibly) low incidence of blood clots

It’s an EU thing. We’ve already had EU politicians casting doubt on the effectiveness of this vaccine while simultaneously berating the U.K. and Astra Zeneca for not allowing them enough doses of it. They undermined their own population’s faith in it’s effectiveness and ended up, understandably, with low uptake of this particular vaccination. Now they’ve suspended it’s use when the statistics don’t justify it.

@LimitIsUp

"How is it politics? It is so insulting to suggest so."

Because if it wasn't politics then the use of Pfizer would have been suspended too - given a similar (incredibly) low incidence of blood clots

The lady who died in Denmark had hemorrhaging far beyond what is considered 'normal.' This in conjunction with the unusual sickness of the people in Norway is what caught attention.

They were not standard 'blood clotting' incidents.