Denmark suspends Astra Zeneca vaccine over blood clot death - Not proven to be linked to the jab, but investigations are ongoing *title edited by MNHQ*

[Fluffymarshmallows]

A 49-year-old Austrian woman diedof ‘severe blood coagulation problems’ after taking the jab, and three more cases of blood clotting issues have been reported in the country.

Not proven to be linked to the jab yet, but investigations are ongoing.

metro.co.uk/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-oxford-covid-vaccine-as-patient-dies-with-blood-clot-14224751/

JimLaheysWhiskeyBottle

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Sorry to be dense. What’s a “kommune”?

@Bluethrough there has been a lot of mis information though re AZ vaccine, friom Macrons comment as quazzi ineffective, to the German paper saying it was only 8% effective in people over 65.

I think people are upset because the adverse reactions (aka nocebo effect and faking it) are affecting young people and covid's average age of death was 81. Pure ageism iykwim.

@newstart1234

Living in Denmark, I can say with confidence that no one here thinks the U.K. is doing well WRT Covid 😬 and the Danish gov have no reason to use the U.K. as a whipping boy over this. The Az vaccine is widely accepted as people trust the authorities to make the right decisions. I think they’ll restart in 2 weeks having made a (very small) stockpile - the ratio of az purchased by dk was minimal - it’ll be used up in days.

We're not doing well w.r.t Covid. We are doing well OK vaccinations.

Denmark is too.

Still doesn't explain why EU countries are making the decisions they are, when they are not doing the same with other vaccines?

I can understand the anger over deliveries, but I can't understand why they seem to be actively sabotaging the AZ vaccine.

Glad that Danish people have faith in their experts. I am the same with the MHRA. But others do not, and thats where these games are getting dangerous.

I don’t think it’s a game because they’ve nothing to gain from it. There is no bad pr here about the az vaccine and people are just getting on with it. Everyone who’s had a vaccine in the last two weeks will get a letter with some information and I assume they’re waiting two weeks to see if any other adverse events happen. I don’t think there will be any causes for concern (based on what the MHRA have said about the data in the U.K.) and then they will continue.

Millions have already received the AZ vaccine in the UK with proportionally very few side effects reported.

I wouldn't be unnecessarily alarmed. The countries suspending the vaccine or the batches need to conclude their investigations and report on findings.

Thank goodness as well that the risk of side effects completely ends at what is it, 2 weeks? Has anyone got the link? I know I saw that somewhere. People said the swine flu vaccine thing started happening after a few years but that was totally different. And probably nocebo effect anyway. Should be over in time for September's boosters anyway, and with furlough ending then, maybe we'll have a better world!

My best guess is that risk of blood clots will be added to a leaflet at some point.

Like when you have a medicine, and in the box, there is sometimes a long list of possible side effects, and some of them are written as a %.

Obviously, the covid vaccines are not like other vaccines that have been routinely given to people for the last 40 years or whatever. People have them, and there are leaflets of side effects and possible effects, and what to do if you get one.
Covid vaccines have only been given in the general population for 4 months or whatever, so what will be written and advised has not been completed yet.

My best guess, but dont necessarily go by me on this, things are still up in the air.

I am a bit surprised that countries[well European ones?] seem very skittish.

@LimitIsUp

There appears to be a sustained smear campaign from the EU regarding AstraZeneca, it really is very tiresome.

There was an article in the Times today reporting that German medics commend 'clever' Russian Sputnik vaccine, and:
"Thomas Mertens, chairman of the German government’s Standing Committee on Vaccination, said Sputnik V might work better than the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine since the first and second doses were carried in slightly different kinds of harmless virus, meaning the immune system may be less likely to blunt the effect of the second jab."

Might work better? So speculation then! But never mind, already sewn yet another seed questioning the relative efficacy of AZ

Read somewhere or saw something, that Merkel is having closer links with Russia nowadays. She is from the old East Germany. More German reliance now, because of Merkle, on Russian gas, rather than other fuels?

The latest list of countries that have stopped AZ out of caution (no proven link yet) are Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Greece, Lapland, Latvia and Romania.

Italy has recalled one batch of AZ after the deaths of three soldiers.

Germany and Austria are still continuing with AZ as normal.

Covid is proven to cause blood clotting disorders. Those concerned about the risk of blood clots should be considerably more concerned about the risks presented by covid.

Covid is a very infectious disease, the new variants more infectious than the old. If people decide not to be vaccinated then they probably will get covid sooner or later. It's unknown if the covid blood clotting risk is temporary or for life but markers of blood vessel damage have been observed in some of those who had "mild" disease.

I'd be pretty annoyed if I got covid and being vaccinated 2 weeks earlier would probably have prevented that.

It's like a domino effect. Would it have happened the same with Pfizer which also have cases of clotting 'linked' to it. I genuinely don't think so.

AZ is a damaged brand in the EU. I do wonder whether they would be better stopping using it Fullstop.

I think at times investigations can be made quietly. Maybe even quietly stop using it.

This is feeding the tin foil hat brigade.

I actually think the suspicion in Europe regarding the AZ vaccine, will end up globally harming the Oxford University brand.

@alreadytaken

Covid is proven to cause blood clotting disorders. Those concerned about the risk of blood clots should be considerably more concerned about the risks presented by covid.

Covid is a very infectious disease, the new variants more infectious than the old. If people decide not to be vaccinated then they probably will get covid sooner or later. It's unknown if the covid blood clotting risk is temporary or for life but markers of blood vessel damage have been observed in some of those who had "mild" disease.

I'd be pretty annoyed if I got covid and being vaccinated 2 weeks earlier would probably have prevented that.

I have had Long Covid. Just about getting over it all. Some of my problems were blood related.

Personally, and actually partly because of that, I am going to wait until Sept this year, until more information has come out, to decide if I will get a covid vaccination.

@Wakeupin2022

It's like a domino effect. Would it have happened the same with Pfizer which also have cases of clotting 'linked' to it. I genuinely don't think so.

AZ is a damaged brand in the EU. I do wonder whether they would be better stopping using it Fullstop.

I think at times investigations can be made quietly. Maybe even quietly stop using it.

This is feeding the tin foil hat brigade.

The same would have been done with Pfizer, at least in Denmark. Our health authorities jumped quickly on the situation in France and Germany and promoted the AZ vaccine as every bit as safe and worthwhile as the others.

There's a certain pride, obviously, on being the EU country with the most successful vaccine program - they didn't want to do this at all.

And you misunderstand the psychology here. It's because our health authorities take this 'safely safely' approach that if, in two weeks, the authorities clear AZ to be used again, then people will happily take it.

'Here' meaning Denmark, not the EU. There is obviously no joint 'EU' psychology because it is comprised of 27 very different countries. This seems incredibly hard for many to understand.

If Denmark has enough other vaccine to continue with their programme then they are simply being sensible. It's the knock on effect of that on the rest of Europe that may lead to us all being more at risk. Other European countries cant pause a vaccine as easily without slowing their programmes, increasing their death and long covid rates and possibly encouraging new variants.

Our government have made a total mess of everything coivd bar the vaccination programme, France and Germany have made a total mess of that.

This wont undermine the "Oxford brand" because those with sufficient education to want to go there/work there will not be fooled by misrepresentation.

Denmark sees (saw?) the U.K. as one of its best partners and allies. There is no way that this is political games. It’s very low key change and it’s been heavily implied that due process is being followed before it will be once again offered here.

The policital games are played with Scandinavian countries 😉

@alreadytaken

If Denmark has enough other vaccine to continue with their programme then they are simply being sensible. It's the knock on effect of that on the rest of Europe that may lead to us all being more at risk. Other European countries cant pause a vaccine as easily without slowing their programmes, increasing their death and long covid rates and possibly encouraging new variants.

Our government have made a total mess of everything coivd bar the vaccination programme, France and Germany have made a total mess of that.

This wont undermine the "Oxford brand" because those with sufficient education to want to go there/work there will not be fooled by misrepresentation.

in fact only norway/iceland and Denmark have stopped, countries that are doing better in vaccination and/or Covid.The rest of Europe is continuing without using the affected batches.

Pfizer has just delivered double the expected amount of vaccine to Denmark. That gives them some wiggle to their vaccination program.

AZ are dropping supply amount to the EU again.

www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-cuts-once-again-its-eu-vaccine-delivery-targets-report/

Italy has recalled one batch of AZ after the deaths of three soldiers

Do you have a source for this please @User594022452

Janssen has said they can't deliver the amount to the EU that was expected too. Not a great start for their j&j one dose vaccine in Europe

@rabbitcow

Italy has recalled one batch of AZ after the deaths of three soldiers

Do you have a source for this please @User594022452

www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-astrazeneca-sou-idUSR1N2JW00S

Thanks Easter I have seen that report in various forms about the policeman and the naval officer in Sicily, but nothing about three soldiers and they are not mentioned in the Reuters piece either.

@rabbitcow
This article is in German unfortunately so not sure if it helps. The paper is legitimate though, not a tabloid.
kurier.at/chronik/welt/herzstillstand-nach-impfung-ermittlungen-nach-tod-von-marineoffizier/401215590

Another paper had the headline of 3 soldiers but this article clarifies it's one officer and 2 immediate family members of military staff. All were vaccinated at a military hospital so it's

Thailand has also stopped their AZ vaccines pending an official statement from the EU.